Author	Thread: Is God omnipresent?
Admin	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 08:09 AM Does God know everything we're doing, everywhere, all-the-time? Using an old experiment from quantum physics (Young's et al.) I think we can scientifically prove He isn't. Young's experiment involves shooting a beam of light through two slits in a sheet of paper onto a wall opposite. Because light particles behave like a wave and a particle, the way they show up on the far wall depends on whether someone's observing or not (a cornerstone of quantum theory - that we alter reality simply by observing it.) But if God were omnipresent, He should be the observer required to make light behave just one way all the time. In Judaism, we pray aloud (no silent prayer) which seems to suggest that God doesn't read minds either (directly contrary to Christianity with how Jesus says in Matthew think it is, "...a man looking at a woman with lust in his eyes has already commited adultery with her..." As in, thoughts can be sinful. Claims that God possesses various attributes like mind-reading, omnipresence, etc. don't seem to be supported by Scripture: In Genesis, God calls out to Adam as though He didn't know where he was. Then again asking Able where Cain was. And so on. These could be literary devices of course, but they're repeated often enough to raise the question of whether God really "sees all that we do." Thoughts? Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 09:19 AM Hebrews 4:12,13: "For the Word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the **THOUGHTS** and **ATTITUDES** of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. **EVERYTHING** is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: "So we make it our:rolleyes: goal to please Him..For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels:angel::angel:, and **THEN** He will reward each person:rolleyes: according to what he has done!" {Which would include **ALL** the thoughts and attitudes of his heart!!} Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 10:33 AM By Him creation consists. "For by him were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created by him and for him" (Col. 1:16). How many Christians ever think of Christ as the One "by whom all things are created," as Colossians puts it; "by whom all things were made: as John puts it; "by whom God made the worlds," as Hebrews put it? Why did God make the universe, anyway? He made it that one day Christ might be all in all, that one day, from tiniest electron to mightiest planet, it might glorify Jesus. Scientists cannot give the reason for the universe: Christ is the reason. Creation is now enslaved in corruption, but one day it will display the glory of Christ, the bondage of sin will be broken, the Sons of God be manifested. And Christ not only created the universe and is its object but He sustains it now. The very existence of each of us, to say nothing of our salvation, depends on Him. Without Him the universe would fall apart. http://www.ccel.us/havner.ch2.html Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 12:07 PM Is God omnipresent? *** Yes ! Jesus first proclaimed in Matthew 3:2~ And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. and in Matthew 4:17 Meaning Before You...Around You and Soon to Be In You...( Holy Spirit ) also...GOD is Everywhere all the time... In Genesis, God calls out to Adam as though He didn't know where he was. Then again asking Able where Cain was. And so on... *** I believe because the "Spiritual" Connection was severd & lost due to the Fall / Sin...an many will disagree here...but God gives man / women free will & choice...God will not be present when Sin is Seperating our Relationship with Him...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 12:36 PM Jeff, You seem intent on �Quantifying� God�to Place Him in a box and therefore be able to Measure Him and make God �Fit� into your world. If it does not make �Sense� to you�you deny it�s Existence! God CREATED those very particles (Quarks) that make up Matter or Energy. God can Step Outside this Universe He Created�ANYTIME He Wants To. Of Course God is OmniPresent! I feel for you that you will not and cannot Understand this. Peace Be With You Steve Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 12:39 PM By the Way... ...that is such a Lame Reach: "God called out 'Where are you Adam'". When dealing with a five year old...I may have done the same -- even though I already KNEW where the child was. Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 01:53 PM Now Jude has stated: ..God will not be present when Sin is Separating our Relationship with Him. Jesus says in Luke 11:2-4 that every day we should ask the Father to forgive us our sins and we are sinning whenever we are not walking as Christ had walked as per I John 2:6. Romans 8:38,39: " For I am convinced that neither death nor life neither angels or demons neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!" :applause::angel: The Word of God.. judges the **THOUGHTS** and **ATTITUDES** of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. **EVERYTHING** is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." 2 Corinthians 5:9,10: "So we make it our goal to please Him..For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or BAD." How can God judge the bad thoughts and attitudes of your heart if He does not know what they are?? Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 02:02 PM :glow:...you understood what I was meaning...Good Word Prophet...:buddies:...< thats Root Beer > & being in Agreement & IN-Lightened..:purpleangel:...by the Word...God Bless you Richard...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:00 PM Appreciate everyone's replies and your thoughts. But I didn't see any actual proof to the contrary re: Young's experiment. Maybe I am looking to quantify God, but for me I have great difficulty believing in something that can't be proven empirically. The faith I once enjoyed as a child vanished a long time ago and now it's all about the evidence. Young's experiment would seem to indicate that there can be a lack of an observer PROVING God is not omnipresent. I believe He exists, I just don't believe He's omnipresent since the evidence indicates as much. If you have actual evidence via science or something that'd be enough to convict and execute someone lemme hear all about it. But of the numerous verses cited, I see nothing of that strength as yet. Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:20 PM The faith I once enjoyed as a child vanished a long time ago and now it's all about the evidence. *** That happened to me to Jeff...I went in search of Evidence in Many Cultures & Religions...I Study and Disected everyone of them...I spent years doing Research...and then one day...I just gave up...threw in the towel...I literally told God after all this time I just dont care or understand anything anymore and my Search was ending... Funny thing happened...I heard His voice as clear as clear could be...I Heard.."Don't stop...I've always been here and I always will be"...Mind you...I was stund...There is only Book that I am aware of that tells of Hearing a Voice...that Book is the Holy Bible...OT & NT...I found what I had lost as a Child for I was not seeking as a Child...Funny thing about that Jeff...God is Always a Father to his Child and I believe...for me anyway...That I forgot at a very young age... Keep Searching in All your Endivers and you will find what you have lost & are looking for...in the Process...He has Already Found you...He is just waiting for you to give up...and come back to Him...Peace be with you...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Is God omnipresent? Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:26 PM That's a really great turn of phrase, "I found what I had lost as a Child for I was not seeking as a Child." Good enough to make my Notes file. :) Post Reply

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