"The Cult of the Sacred Name: A little background on the Sacred Name Movement:"
"Sacred Namers are a group largely professing to be Torah Observant Gentiles, who believe that the only source of power and righteousness in creation is the use (and frequent use at that) of the Holy Name which the Creator gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. This group routinely pronounces anyone who does not use their terminology and their �correct� pronunciation of the name of God as Pagan.
The history of the Sacred Name Cults shows them to be derived of the Millerite sects, the Adventists and the Church of God, and thus from the false prophet William Miller who prophesied the return of Jesus in 1843 and made a subsequent false prophecy concerning 1845. Though his group self destructed by the mid 19th century the followers became the Adventists and later Church of God sects, preserving the strict legalism and false prophetic bents of the original group.
These groups are founded on a private interpretation of the scriptures which does not bear up to close scrutiny by the Word of God. Though claiming to be Torah Observant Messianics they, like the Pharisees, use their personal interpretation of scripture as a weapon to condemn�"
"Do not bow to their insults, do not be led astray by their foolishness. Proclaim the Word and then if rejected shake the dust off your feet."
Here are some comments on this post from other Facebook members:
"Mark 7:13. Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition (putting the Talmud on an equal basis), which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."
Many Christians do not know what the Talmud is, having been taught that the present day Jews are still God's chosen people by their seminary trained preachers. In Galatians 1: 13- 14 Paul says "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14. And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers."
By "the Jew's religion" Paul does not mean the practices and doctrines of the Old Covenant as given in the Old Testament. He is talking about the religion of Judaism in his time, from the oral traditions of the Babylonian Talmud.
The religion of the Old Testament was not the Judaism which existed as the religion of the Pharisees of Christ's time.
To try to imply in subtle ways that the Judaism of th Pharisees was Old Testament religion is a fundamental deception which could not deceive Christians if it were not for the teaching of dispensationalism that the present day Jews of Judaism following the Talmud are one of two groups of God's people, the other group being the "church.". The implication of classical dispensationalism is that Talmudic Jews are still God's chosen people.
Judaism as the religion of the Pharisees is then deceptively proclaimed by much of the "church" to be the root of Christianity. Christ said in Matthew 15: 9, "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." As Matthew 15: 1 says, the scribes and Pharisees came to Jesus asking why his disciples did not wash their hands before they ate. Jesus answered the Pharisees by saying their Judaism was the doctrines of men. In verse 6 he sais they make the commandment of God of no effect by their traditions, which are the oral traditions of the Babylonian Talmud.
Another comment to this post on the Sacred Name theology says "Paul clarified it was the Jewish religion he was saved from, that was responsible for this falling away in his day, and was warning the Gentile Galatian Believers not to be entangled with it:"
It is Christ the person, who is fully God, that is vitally important, not the names by which we call him. Christ the person is the only one powerful enough to defeat and bind Satan. Without the person of Jesus Christ we are at the mercy of Satan. And not being born again in Christ means we will be separated from him forever. And being slowly lured back into the legalism of the Old Covenant and of Judaism's view of it will separate us from the person of Christ.
Messianic Judaism is another theological movement which seeks to mingle the Old and New Covenants. Again, many
Christians do not know what Messianic Judaism is. Wikipedia is not the best source for accurate knowledge of many subjects, but it is a place to start in beginning to understand Messianic Judaism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism
They say "Messianic Judaism is a syncretic religious movement that arose in the 1960s. It blends evangelical Christian theology with elements of Jewish terminology and ritual...From 2003 to 2007, the movement grew from 150 Messianic houses of worship in the United States to as many as 438... In 2008, the movement was reported to have between 6,000 and 15,000 members in Israel...
"In general, essential doctrines of Messianic Judaism include views on God (omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, outside creation, infinitely significant and benevolent � viewpoints on the Trinity vary), Jesus is believed to be the Jewish Messiah though views on his divinity vary), written Torah (with a few exceptions, Messianics believe that Jesus taught and reaffirmed the Torah and that it remains fully in force), Israel (the Children of Israel are central to God's plan, replacement theology is opposed), the Bible (Tanakh and the New Testament are usually considered the divinely inspired Scripture, though Messianics are more open to criticism of the New Testament canon than is Christianity)."
"Many prefer to refer to Jesus with the name "Yeshua."
"Messianics, with few exceptions, consider the written Torah (Pentateuch), the five books of Moses, to remain fully in force. They believe it is a continuing covenant that is to be observed both morally and ritually by those who profess faith in God.They believe that Jesus taught and re-affirmed the Torah, rather than did away with it."
"A very few Messianic believers are troubled by the writings of Paul and may reject his writings, holding them in less esteem than those of the other Gospel writers."
"It is believed that the Children of Israel were, remain, and will continue to be the chosen people of the God, and are central to his plans for existence. Virtually all Messianics (whether Jewish or non-Jewish) can be said to oppose supersessionism (popularly referred to as replacement theology), the view that the Church has replaced Israel in the mind and plans of God."
"According to Messianic Judaism, Jews are those which one or both parents are Jewish, or have undergone halakhic conversion to Judaism. Those who have Jewish fathers only are considered Jewish if the individual claims Jewish identity, similar to Reform Judaism."
"Historically, Christianity has featured supersessionism (replacement theology), which implies or outright states that Christianity has superseded Judaism, that the Mosaic Covenant of the First Testament is superseded by the New Covenant of Jesus, wherein the merciful grace of God and not obedience to the Torah is required for salvation. This is sometimes complemented with God moving the status of "God's people" from Israel, as described in the Hebrew bible, to the Christian Church. Messianic Judaism, in varying degrees, challenges both thoughts, and instead believes that although Israel has rejected Jesus, it has not forfeited its place as God's chosen people (Matthew 5:17). Messianic Judaism cites Romans 11:29: "for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable."
"Most Messianics hold all of the following eschatological beliefs: the End of Days, the Second Coming of Jesus as the conquering Messiah, the re-gathering of Israel, a rebuilt Third Temple, a Resurrection of the Dead (and that Jesus was resurrected after his death), and the Millennial Sabbath."
"Many Messianics believe that all of the moedim, indeed the entire Torah, intrinsically hint at the Messiah, and thus no study of the End Times is complete without understanding the major Jewish Festivals in the larger prophetic context. To these believers, Passover, First Fruits, and Shavuot were fulfilled in Jesus's first coming, and Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot will be at his second. Many Messianics believe in a literal 7000-year period for the human history of the world, with a Messianic Millennial Sabbath Kingdom before a final judgment."
"While most traditional Christians deny that the ritual laws and specific civil laws of the Pentateuch (though still affirming that Torah is the word of God) apply directly to themselves, passages regarding Torah observance in the New Testament are cited by Messianics that Torah was not abolished for Jews. They point out that in Acts 21 we find that the Jewish believers in Jerusalem are "zealous for Torah" and that Paul himself never stopped being observant. Most Messianics believe that observance of the Torah brings about sanctification, not salvation, which was to be produced only by the Messiah."
"When conversion is sincerely desired by a Gentile Messianic believer in Jesus, Messianic Jewish halachic standards (including circumcision) are imposed to maintain integrity among the world Messianic Jewish community. "Jewish Conversion Process". Jerusalem Council.org. February 10, 2009. http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/convert-to-judaism/. Retrieved August 18, 2010. "The process of Jewish Conversion is: 1. Repent by keeping the Covenant (Return to the Torah, get circumcised if male, and commit to the Torah).�2. Believe Yeshua is the Messiah, and that he is coming as the King (Obey everything He commands, which is the Torah).�"
"Without first accepting Yeshua as the King and thus obeying Him, then getting circumcised for the purpose of Jewish conversion only gains you access to the Jewish community. It means nothing when it comes to inheriting a place in the World to Come.�"
My comment: The Torah is the five books of Moses, which are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
These books contain the teaching that entry into the Old Covenant is by being a physical descendant of Abraham. They include the teachings on animal sacrifice, and circumcision, and other rituals. Hebrews 8: 5 says these rituals were the shadow of heavenly things, and Hebrews 10: 1 says "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Animal sacrifice pointed to the once and for all times sufficient sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. The Torah also describes the physical temple, which was replaced as the temple of God by the believers. Paul makes it clear that circumcision was done away with.
But the Torah also presents the righteousness of God, which Christians fully accept. So, talking about Torah as one thing is deceptive, because part of it was accepted into the New Covenant - the righteousness of God given to man to live by - and part of the Torah is done away with in the New Covenant, the legalism of entry into the kingdom by genetics, animal sacrifice, circumcision, the physical temple, and other rituals.
I was a missionary in Israel and about 2% or about 30,000 Jews claim to be Christians. About half of these Jews claim to be Messianic Christians and combine the OT and NT Covenants in many strange and weird ways. I am making a wild guess when I say about half of these Messianic Jews are saved and about half have gotten to far away from the NT Covenant. However, during the Great Tribulation two thirds of the Jews will die and the remaining one third {About 5 million Jews}will all be surely saved and will all believe the NT Covenant in the right way. Since Moses and Elijah and 144,00 saintly Jews and many saintly Gentiles will be their teachers.:applause::angel::peace:
WILL ALL ISRAEL BE SAVED BY THE END OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION??
Luke 21:24: Jesus says, �Jerusalem shall be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are complete.� The Times of the Gentiles was from AD 70 to June 7th, 1967 when the Jews again gained complete control of Jerusalem after 1897 years. In 1948 the Jordanian Gentiles destroyed 34 of the 35 Jewish Synagogues in Jerusalem and kicked out almost all the Jews. Obama would like Israel to return to its 1948 borders.
During the Great Tribulation Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled. Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �washed in the Blood of the Lamb� during the Great Tribulation.
Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw the souls of those who had been slain {Just like Jesus} because of the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, �How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?� The each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed. Rev 7:9,13,14,15a,17a: �After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from *EVERY* NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE AND LANGUAGE, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus}. They were wearing *WHITE ROBES*:applause::angel:
�Then one of the {24} elders {Rev 4:4} asked me, �These in *WHITE ROBES*�who are they and where did they come from?�� And he said, �These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; {Martyrs just like Jesus} they have washed their robes and made them WHITE in the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* {Jesus}. They are before the throne of God and serve him day and night... The Lamb {Jesus} at the center of the throne will be their Shepherd.� {See Rev 12:11 & Rev 13:8-10}
This passage in Rev 7:9 above shows that the Great Tribulation will be mainly for Christians in *EVERY Gentile nation and not just Jacob�s Jewish trouble which absolutely contradicts the main thesis of the pre-trib fairy tale. Revelation 14:13: Then I heard a voice from heaven say {During the Great Trib}, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them." Rev 12:11: �They {THE TRIBULATION MARTYRS} overcame him {Satan} by the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.�
Revelation 7:3,4: The angel said, �Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God,� Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the {12} tribes of Israel.
This event occurred just before the land and sea were harmed by the first 6 trumpet plagues in Rev chapters 8 & 9. Also occurring just before the first 6 trumpet plagues will be the scene in heaven above of martyrs from every nation in Rev 7:9-18. So it is completely obvious that the 144,000 Jews did NOT participate in the evangelizing of the Gentiles from every nation in the world. There are many who believe that the 144,000 Jews will then evangelize Jews through out the world and possibly only Jews will be saved during the rest of the Great Tribulation since Gentiles from every nation of the world will already be saved. According to Zechariah 12;10; 13:8,9: Two-thirds of the Jews will be struck down and perish but one-third will call on my name and will say, �The Lord is our God.�
Presently there are approximately 15 million Jews and about 2 % or 30,000 are Christians. During the Great Tribulation 10 million Jews will die and 5 million will be saved which is and additional 4 million 970 thousand if 30 thousand are now Christians.
Romans 11:25-29: I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part **until the full number of Gentiles has come in **{As per Rev 7:9,14 above}. ***AND SO ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED***:applause:, as it is written: {In Jeremiah 31:33,34} �The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob {Israel}. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.� As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned they are loved on account of the patriarchs {Moses, Abraham, David ,Joseph, Isaiah, Elijah etc etc etc}, for God's gifts and His call are irrevocable. {Read Romans 11:11-32 and Hebrews 11:39-40}
Acts 1:6-8: The Jewish disciples asked Jesus, �Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel??� Jesus said to them: �It is not for you to know the times and dates the Father has set by His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and to the ends of the earth.!!� Matthew 24:14: Jesus says {During the Great Tribulation} �This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN** the **END** will come!�
God also inspired 40 Jewish men to write every Word in God's Word in both the OT and NT. Jesus was 50 % Jewish and is called the King of the Jews 12 times in the NT and the 12 Apostles including Paul were all Jewish who brought the Gospel to the Gentiles in the 1st Century. The Israelites are called Jews 80 times in the OT beginning with the book of Esther about 600 BC and the Israelites are called Jews over 200 times in the NT.
Acts 2:5: �Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.� And on the day of Pentecost 3,000 Jews were saved as per Acts 2:5,14,41. John 4:22b: Jesus says, "Salvation is from the Jews.!" Matthew 2:1,2: Wise men from the East asked, �Where is the One who has been born King of the Jews?� Matthew 27:11: Pilate asked Jesus, �Are you the King of the Jews?� �Yes it is as you say,� Jesus replied!
God said to Abraham, in Genesis 17:8: �The whole land of Canaan I will be give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.�
Quotes from Obama on May 20th, 2011: �Israel must learn do defend itself **BY ITSELF**!!� �Israel must return to **PRE-1967 BORDERS**!!� Nations from all over the world have heartily agreed with King Obama's 2 statements including the European Union, Russia and the United nations. Obama has also stated that he does not have to abide by the War Powers Act or the Constitution in declaring war thus making Obama a King with the power to make war against anyone he desires as long as he desires!
While Catholics also add to the Canon of Scripture extra-biblical books and teach much apostasy, the same pattern is seen in the Hebrew Roots Movement as both add works to divine grace making the grace of Christ of no effect. The Bible is divinely inspired by God from Genesis to Revelation, no other writings are necessary for understanding the Bible. The Holy Spirit reveals the Word to us. No other authority can be accepted. Jewish extra-biblical writings do NOT enlighten Christians as to the "hidden meanings" of Scripture. The deep things of God are shown to surrendered Christians by the Holy Spirit opening Scripture and making the Bible plain.
This movement, and I say this as kindly as I can, is seeking to cast doubt on the faith once delivered to the church by challenging the very Scriptures we have been given by the Lord. They claim Christians can't fully understand the Scripture until we understand the Torah. But the opposite is true. You will not understand the OT (or the Torah) until you have true revelation of the NT. And if you have true revelation of the NT, you will not allow yourself to fall back under the weak system of the Old Covenant, because you will know the liberty you have found in Christ fulfills all.
The Old Testament (or Torah) is not the greater revelation, nor does the OT shine light on the NT, the NT opens and reveals the OT and shows what the symbols and shadows really meant. The DEEPER things of God are found in the NT, not the OT, because Christ is revealed in all of his glory in the NT. We are rooted, all of us, in CHRIST and while the OT is filled with the glory of the Lord, the NT opens up and reveals His glory in splendor and shows us that intimacy with Christ comes through his sacrifice which surpasses all that went before. Emphasis on the Torah over the NT is emphasizing that which could not save. The Holy Spirit given to all those who are in Christ Jesus, gives us understanding and leads us into all truth, not the Torah.
Jesus instituted a New and Better Covenant with those who believed on him. To give greater credence to the Torah attempts to alter that Blood-bought covenant by adding back to it the lesser system of the Old Covenant, which was totally fulfilled in Christ.
This covenant is called the:
�NEW' [Heb.9:15]
�SECOND'[Heb. 8:7]
�BETTER,' [Heb.7:22]
2. Keeping the Law of Moses with all of the ordinances of the OT Law.
However, Christians under the New Covenant have a much higher calling to holiness than did the Old Testament saints under the Law of Moses.
The Word says, "The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (Gal. 3:24-25). HRM is seeking to bring us back under the schoolmaster. The scripture further states, Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to every one that believes. (Rom. 10:4); "The Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist (Luke 16:16); "The Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John. 1:17). I'm going to say something a little controversial here, I don't believe we should be observing the feasts or the Sabbath or any of the Jewish holy days, because Paul warned us that, "After that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?" He clarifies exactly what he means by his next words: "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid [for] you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain" (Gal. 4:10-11).
If we in any way try to keep the Law of Moses or keep all of these OT ordinances, Christ has become no effect to us, because whether you realize it or not you're striving to be justified by the Law. Paul says those that do this have fallen from grace. (Gal. 5:4).
Galatians 5:18 says "If ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the Law."
Titus 1:14 says not to give heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, for those that do have turned from the truth.
I believe the Hebrew Roots organizations have become the modern equivalent of the Judaisers who followed the Apostle Paul from city to city, spying on the NT believers' liberty in Christ and striving to pervert the Gospel and cause confusion among the Early Christians. When these Judaisers sought to draw the Christians of the Galatian church back under the Judaic Religious System, Paul warned the Galatian church to not give credence to their arguments for they were perverting the Gospel of Christ.
Instead of Christ alone, the HRM over-balance into the religion that they have never really left! They cannot grasp that ALL is fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. Not only that, but they want the Christians to embrace the O.T. Jewish religious beliefs, ordinances, and traditions that were necessary under the Law as well!
I believe this movement is part and parcel of the Great Apostasy that is invading Christianity in these last days on the same level as Catholicism, Word of Faith, Kingdom Now theology, and many others.
We must be bereans in these last days and keep our eyes on our Savior who bought us with his precious blood and not exchange the gift of grace for the weak and beggerly system of observing the Jew's Religion under the Law.
At the same time, we must pray for our Jewish brothers and sisters and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
"I am making a wild guess when I say about half of these Messianic Jews are saved and about half have gotten to far away from the NT Covenant."
So should we all bow to you now or what? Wasn't aware you were an actual angel with authority to make such judgements. Is there someone I can send you money so I get saved?
I fail to understand why some people's idea of being religious includes attacking others for their difference of opinion. If your secure in your own beliefs and faith and how you exercise it what the other ~7 billion people are doing shouldn't phases you a bit. Christianity at best is 2,000 years old. Judaism ~3500 years. Hinduism, the oldest extant (still practised) is between 6 and 10,000 years old. And archeological digs have unearthed religious artifacts dating back 65,000 years in Africa.
Before ASSUMING you're right and everyone else is wrong (to say nothing of everyone else in the fairly vast and ancient universe) how about living according to your supposed faith first, THEN worry about what everyone else is doing.
Supposed to be a forum for discussion of theological matters and the Bible. Not a bashing forum for those insecure about their own faith to attack others for their's.
Jeff Shared ~ Supposed to be a forum for discussion of theological matters and the Bible. Not a bashing forum for those insecure about their own faith to attack others for their's.
*** Actually its a " CHRISTIAN Dateing Site " with a Biblical Section...If you are looking for a Jewish Theological Thread...this is not the site...Some people do enjoy Discussing the Messianic Christian views...but those that are here that are not Christian are Usually here to cause Dis-Cord...just not a Good Thing...Enjoy...xo
