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Admin	Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements Posted : 22 Jul, 2011 09:00 AM Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements This is part of some posts I made on Facebook a couple of years ago. Sacred Namers claim that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. They oppose any name, especially for Christ, in Greek or English and deride the Textus Receptus and King James Version because these texts substitute kurios or lord for yahweh. The may also reject the use of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance because it uses the King James Version. www.heartofisrael.net The site above says: "The testimony of the AnteNicean Fathers (written well before the foundations of the Roman Catholic Church) was that the majority of the New Testament was written in Greek. Matthews Gospel as well as James and Hebrews may very probably have been written in Aramaic, but there is no reliable manuscript evidence that points to a preserved Aramaic text older than the forth century Peshitta (the Syriac version of the Bible)." Sacred Namers want to stick the name Yahveh into every thing they write and everything they read. They have published their own versions of the bible with the sacred name pronounced into every name." "..... this is the gospel of incantation." http://www.letusreason.org​/sacna5.htm Quotes from the link above: " Some Sacred Namer�s have made the name almost into an idol. Nothing else matters, nothing is more important except, �the name."" "GOD is INFINITE in his nature, HE unable to be FULLY COMPREHENDED or explained by any single name or description. (This is what the name wonderful means in Isa.9:6- unable to comprehend). The Old Testament uses numerous names as God reveals himself to man. The closest summation of Who He is eyeh asher eyeh- �I Am who I Am.� Each name expresses a certain attribute or characteristic." "There are a lot of indications that Jesus and the disciples were tri-lingual even quoting the Greek Septuagint over the Hebrew at times. It was quoted from by many of the New Testament writers including Jesus. The oldest portions were found in the DSS discovery (Book of Deuteronomy). Copies exist from first century onward. The New Testament normally quotes from the Septuagint over the Masoretic text (with the possible exception of Matthew). Here are only a few examples of New Testament quotes from the Septuagint Old Testament translation instead of the Hebrew Old Testament." The site lists several Bible verses which follow the Greek Septuagint more closely than the Hebrew Masoretic text. These verses are Hebrews 1: 6, Exodus 1:5, Romans 3: 13-18, Isaiah 7: 14 and Exodus 1: 5. http://www.letusreason.org​/sacna%202.htm This site says: "In general the movement attempts to keep the Old Covenant with only a few exceptions. Sacred Name adherents mention 613 laws of that covenant... http://the-gospel.org/stdy​_hrmntcs/cults.php Here is one of the statements from this site: "They all have some form of legalism. The more cultic the church is, the more legalistic." "They" are Christian cults. The Sacred Name movement is highly legalistic. With their legalism and obsession only on the right name of God, they easily go off into false doctrines. A sacred name site on the Internet says "Further, the Scriptures proclaim that the name Yahweh is extremely valuable and that knowledge of it is necessary for salvation. This data will prove that the requirement for the knowledge and use of the sacred name is not restricted to the Jews or those speaking Hebrew but is a requisite for all of mankind." The link to this site is: http://www.yahweh.org/yahweh1.htm Whoever wrote this did not give his or her name. In about 2005 I had a phone conversation with a Sacred Namer in St Louis. He made many of the usual Sacred name arguments, that the Spanish name for Jesus sounds like Zeus for the second part, or "Hey-Sous," as spoken, that early on English had no letter J, and that the King James translation "changed" the Bible. I had no idea then what he thought the King James changed the Bible from, the Geneva Bible, the Vulgate or what? I think the Sacred Namers mean the New Testament was changed from its original Hebrew. They apparently believe the orginal New Testament was written in Hebrew, or that it was written in Greek but is therefore corrupt. When I said that in the Greek New Testament, Jesus starts with an I, not a J, he said no. Apparently he believed that Jesus, or in the Greek New Testament, Iesou, or Ieso was added later or is somehow incorrect as the name for Christ. This Sacred Namer gets his doctrine straight from the House of Yehweh in Abiline, Texas. the outfit that T.E. Blackmon says is "...a serious cult, with no visible love, everyone is scared to touch anyone, because then they may become UNCLEAN,and these people are serious about that. Bunch of zombies that do what they are told by Buffalo Bill Hawkins , Who calls himself with another name now,and says the holocaust was all about the devil trying to find his family because Satan knew his ministry would be built and was trying to stop it.... People are just mezmorised by an old cowboy sheriff, who talks about himself, what one needs to buy at his health food store,and asks for lots of money, and tithing is especially required even if you don't have any money. It's okay though, they've been said to take food stamps for tithes,and they'll even help a poor widowed or seperated woman,or black person fill out the right paperwork. They are out there,way out there......." T.E. Blackmon was then a member of the old Christian Media Network Folks under James Lloyd. I want to zero in on what the St Louis Sacred Namer said about the King James translation "changing" the Bible. I think in general what he meant is that the brand of Sacred Name Theology he follows regards the King James New Testament as being corrupt, and if they are aware that the Authorized Version come out of the Textus Receptus, then they also reject it. I told him that Sacred Name Theology had led him to doubt or reject the doctrines of the New Testament, and that he was lost because of that and should repent. He said he would think about it. There are several Sacred Name Bibles which use some form of the Hebew name for God the Father and Jesus Christ, and make sure the term "Jesus" does not appear in their texts. The translators of Sacred Name Bibles seem to think believe the New Testament was originally written in a Semitic language, Hebrew or Aramaic, from which the Greek text is a translation, which they believe is corrupt and wrong. See Black, Matthew. �An Aramaic Approach to the Gospels and Acts�. Oxford Clarendon 1967. The Sacred Namers do not get their ideas so much from New Testament Textual Criticism, but from the Hebrew Roots Movement. The Hebrew Roots Movement often says the New Testament was written in Hebrew and that all Greek NT texts are corrupt. But the oldest fragments of the NT from the second century are in Greek, not Hebrew. For example, an early fragment of the New Testament is the Rylands Library Papyrus P52, a piece of the Gospel of John dated to the first half of the 2nd century. Also, Paul wrote to Greek speaking peoples in his letters and would not have written them in Hebrew. The Sacred Name Theology is a legalistic type movement in Christianity that tries to take Christianity back to the Old Covenant and to Judaism. While Messianic Judaism began as a movement by ethnic Jews, the Sacred Name movement developed within some Christian churches. On the Internet there is the claim that Sacred Name theology is not trinitarian but follows a variation of Arian theology. Arianism is the theological teaching of Arius (AD 250�336), a Christian from Alexandria, Egypt. Remember that there was a lot of gnosticism going on there and that the two Greek texts that Westcott and Hort used for their new Greek text, the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, are associated with Alexandria, Egypt. Arianism can refer to nontrinitarian theological systems of the 4th century, which regarded Jesus Christ as a created being. Nearly all Sacred Name groups observe at least one of the Old Testament feast days. There are discussions and debates among them about the correct dates for the feasts. These differences often center around the dates and sightings of the new moon. The Sacred Name Movement grew out of the Church of God Seventh Day, apparently a different Saturday Sabbath group than the Seventh Day Adventists. The Movement started with the Assembly of Yahweh in Holt, Michigan in the early 1930s. The leaders of this group claim that a founding member was visited by two angels who explained that The Messiah's Name is properly Yahshua. There are many Sacred Name groups scattered over the country. Many have their own variations on the theology. One is House of Yehweh in Abiline, Texas that T.E. Blackmon wrote about. A few years ago I noticed that within the patriot and militia movements there were many members who followed the Sacred Name theology. At that time Joyce Riley and Dave Van Kleist of the Genesis Broadcasting Network Power Hour were Sacred Namers. They prefered not to say Jesus Christ or Lord, but used the term Yehweh. Pastor Butch Paugh was another Sacred Namer on Genesis. Post Reply
View Profile History	Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements Posted : 22 Jul, 2011 09:26 AM Never heard of these movements/cults but then I dodn't concern myself with every new cult that comes along either. Just wanted to add a few important facts: Judaism's 613 Commandments do not apply universally. They're for Jews and Jews only. For everyone else (admittedly, according to Judaism itself,) there are just 7 "universal" laws called the Noachide Laws. They're culled from the 613 for Jews and include no-brainers like don't murder, steal, have immoral relations, etc.. As to sacred names, many Jews and Christians omit a letter when writing a name used to refer to God. So "God" appears as "G-d." This is done out of respect moreso than than theocratic law as "God" is not a proper name. I do it myself except here as I frankly tired of explaining myself every time I did so. :) The punishment for not doing so with an actual name was death. In Kabbalah, there is said to be one, lost to history name for God that if ever uttered would open a portal from our plane to Heaven's (thus why uttering names of God is forbidden.) Fortunately, this lost name is like 50 letters long and even if we knew it probably couldn't pronounce it. Whew! ;) Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements Posted : 22 Jul, 2011 01:29 PM King James Bible For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: :peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements Posted : 22 Jul, 2011 01:37 PM KJV...LUV IT !!!...:yay:.. Jeff shared ~ Judaism's 613 Commandments do not apply universally. They're for Jews and Jews only. *** Thats why Jesus instructed the Apostles to also go to the Gentiles...He is a ALL inclusive GOD...and there is still Hope for the Jews that has Hardened their Hearts to come unto Jesus...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Some Stuff On The Sacred Name and Hebrew Roots Movements Posted : 22 Jul, 2011 03:33 PM "Jeff shared ~ Judaism's 613 Commandments do not apply universally. They're for Jews and Jews only. " Judaism since sometime even before the Pharisees of Christ's time was not the religion of the Old Testament. Judaism is based upon the Babylonian Talmud and the Kabbalah. Dispensationalism appears not to acknowledge this. Jewish authorities say that modern day Judaism is based upon the teachings of the Pharisees of Christ's time. The Talmud interprets the Old Testament with its own theology - and adds a lot that is not what the Old Covenant taught. The broad way church Christians cannot give up what they have been conditioned to believe. Post Reply