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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 06:27 AM

The Kingdom of God on earth?

Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 06:25 AM





Thank you Richard,







but please be ready for corrections.



Here they are:







In Revelation 20:4,5,6: "I saw Thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded (Or martyred) because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the Word of God. They had not worshiped the beast (the Anti-Christ) or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands (Tribulation Martyrs). THEY (MARTYRS) came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years... This is the FIRST RESURRECTION... Blessed and holy are those who have part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.







So, the martyrs, who died because of their faith,were resurrected and reigned with Jesus for 1,000 years.







Rev 20:5: �The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ENDED.�







Richard, NOTE now: �The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ENDED.�



All the saints came with Jesus during the Third World War!



Re- read rev 20 again!



It is CLEAR as the day that all people will be judged at the end of the millenium reign of Jesus!!!!







Then it would be what is called the SECOND RESURRECTION of all people/unbelievers after the 1,000 reign of God Jesus.



After the judgment they will be found guilty for their disbelief in God Jesus and they will be cast to the lake of fire.



Their souls will be taken from the hell/temporary imprisonment/temporally confinement to be judged.







Then I saw a great white throne



and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away.



And there was found no place for them.



And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,



and books were opened.



And another book was opened,



which is the Book of Life.



And the dead were judged according to their works,



by the things which were written in the books.



The sea gave up the dead who were in it,



and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.



And they were judged, each one according to his works.



Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.



This is the second death.



And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.



Revelation 20:11-15







God clearly said that:



5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.



11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened.







Summary: your theory is weak. re-consider it. You should have SOUND teaching of the Scripture. If you have any questions better re-consider them with us together. Because it is quite dangerous to proclaim the changes of Revelation because such people will not inherit the Kingdom of God! Do not be among them. Be among holy people of God and teach what God says.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 07:11 AM

�IS THE 1,000 YEAR FIRST RESURRECTION IN REVELATION 20:4-6 FOR THE 24 ELDERS ON THRONES AND MARTYRS ONLY??





Jesus promised to 12 Apostles who followed Him {Including Paul?} that they would be given 12 THRONES and the authority to JUDGE in Matthew 19:28 & Luke 22:30. In Revelation 4:4 Before the beginning of the Great Tribulation John saw exactly 24 thrones surrounding God's Throne in Heaven. The other 12 thrones were most likely given to 12 prominent OT Elders such as Abraham, Joseph and Isaiah. One of these 24 Elders speaks in Rev 7:13-17 and after the 7TH angel sounds the 7TH and Last Trumpet in Rev 11:15 ONLY the 24 Elders state in Rev 11:16-18: �The time has come for JUDGING the dead and for rewarding your saints.�



��It is completely obvious that the 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is for 24 ELDERS on Thrones and MARTYRS ONLY according to God's Word in Revelation 20:4,5b,6a: "I saw Thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded {Or martyred} because of their testimony for Jesus {NT Martyrs} and because of the Word of God {OT Martyrs}. They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Martyrs}. THEY {THE 24 ELDERS & MARTYRS} came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years... This is the FIRST RESURRECTION... Blessed and holy are those who have part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.



Rev 20:5a: �The rest of the dead {Those saints who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on Thrones} did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ENDED.� Which, of course, would be the SECOND RESURRECTION at the 2nd Coming of Jesus. There are only TWO RESURRECTIONS for all saints mentioned in Rev 20:4-6: The FIRST RESURRECTION is for Martyrs and the 24 Elders only and INCLUDES the Tribulation Martyrs. And therefore the SECOND RESURRECTION must come on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation and must include all saints {Both OT & NT} who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on thrones.



The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous *MARTYRS* is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven during the 1,000 years before His 2nd Coming; and according to Revelation 7:14-17: They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them. They will receive White Robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water.



FOR EXAMPLE: Let us suppose that the SECOND RESURRECTION takes place on April 5th, 2015; then the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION for MARTYRS AND 24 ELDERS ONLY would take place from April 5th, AD 1015 to April 5th, 2015. The 24 Elders and all of the OT & NT saints martyred before April 5th, 1015 were awakened to reign with Jesus in Heaven and every Martyr martyred after April 5th, 1015 were and will be immediately awakened to reign with Jesus in the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION to be completed on April 5th, 2015 at the SECOND RESURRECTION when "The rest of the dead come to life when the thousand years are ENDED." {Rev 20:5a} Rev 20:4b �I saw the *SOULS of those who had been martyred because of their testimony for Jesus... they came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years. The Martyrs SOULS will only get their New Heavenly bodies when the 1,000 years are ENDED at the 2nd Coming of Jesus.



This seems to contradict John 6:40: Jesus says, �EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.� However, the LAST DAY RESURRECTION could last 1,000 years for in 2 Pet 3:8 we read: �With the Lord a DAY is like 1,000 years, and 1,000 years are like a DAY!!



I believe Moses and Elijah will straighten us all out about the 1,000 year First Resurrection when they come.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 07:49 AM

You must admit the the Temple in Ezekiel kills hundreds of animal sacrifices for *SIN** every year. Accordingly those who teach that Ezekiel's Temple will come in a Millenium AFTER the 2nd coming of Jesus teach that Jesus has complete control over this earthly Temple. But according to Ezekiel 40-48 a prince who is mentioned 21 times has complete control over everything in this symbolic temple. And this Prince couldn't be Jesus since he also makes animal sacrifices for his own sin!!



Ezekiel 45:22 "On that day {Passover} the PRINCE is to provide a bull as a **SIN** offering for** HIMSELF** and for all the people of the land."



According to Revelation 7:9,14,15 the great multitude of Martyrs in the Great Tribulation have already been washed in the blood of the Lamb and are in Heaven with Jesus day and night **BEFORE** His 2nd Coming.



Revelation 7:9,14,15: There before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.....And he said, "These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation {Martyrs}; they have washed their robes and made them white in the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night!!":applause:



Revelation 7:9-15 shows the scene in heaven just before the 7 trumpet plagues in the Great Tribulation in Revelation chapter 8 and 9.



WILL THE SYMBOLIC TEMPLE IN EZEKIEL 40-48 BE PART OF THE MILLENIUM WITH ITS HUNDREDS OF ANIMAL SACRIFICES FOR SIN??



Hebrews 9:15,26b-28: Christ is the mediator of a **NEW COVENANT** so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant...But now He has APPEARED once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the SACRIFICE of Himself... so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE to take away the sins of many people, and He will *APPEAR* a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.



Hebrews 8:8,9,13: God found fault with the people and said: The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a **NEW COVENANT** with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will **NOT** be like the covenant I made with their forefathers.....By calling this covenant **NEW**, He made the first one **OBSOLETE**; and what is **OBSOLETE** and aging will soon disappear.� When all the words of the New Covenant were completed by the Book of Revelation in AD 96!!



Hebrew 10:8-10: Jesus said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them. Although the law required them to be made. The He {Jesus} said. "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He {Jesus} set aside the first {Covenant} to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus ONCE FOR ALL!!:applause::peace:



Isaiah 53:5,6: "He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him and by His wounds we are healed. We all like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to His own way, and the Lord has laid on HIM the iniquity of us all.":applause:



To suggest that Jesus will rule for 1,000 years in the symbolic Ezekiel Temple in Ezekiel 40-48 with its hundreds of bloody animal sacrifices for sin is completely disgusting since Jesus put an end of all sacrifices for sin ONCE FOR ALL!!



Ephesians 2:19b-22: "You are members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself as the chief cornerstone {Of the 4th and LAST TEMPLE}. In Him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a HOLY TEMPLE in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built {Living Stones-1 Pet 2:5} together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit. 2 Cor 6:16 "For *WE are the TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD!"{See Revelation 11:1 above!!} Acts 17:24: The God who made the world and everything in it ...does not live in temples built by hands. :applause::peace:

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 08:50 AM

Richard, are you saying that Jesus will nt reign on earth? Your responses confuse me becasue you never discuss , you only post scriptures but fail to explain those passages you post as to how they fit in with the topic and for those who read scriptures dailyt, yet don't understand them.

So help me out here, and I'm sure others who would like for you to please explain those passages you post. Thanks.

Posting sciptures after scriptures without explalnation means nothing. Hel us out here... what are all the passage saying about the Second Resurrection and Jesus' earth;y reign.

Are you the truth, or did God get it all worng when He says Jesus will reign and establish His earthly kingdom?

Whom shall I believe you are what God says in His word?

Help us out here... splain the scriptures you keep posting without explanations. Thanks!

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 08:54 AM

Please Discuss and Connect the dots of the scripture passages you have posted, and explain their meanings as to the Second Resurrection, and stop going around in circles posting scripture after scriptures wihtout explaining what they mean..

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 08:58 AM

Hi Richard,

I have just wanted to mention the prience and I see that you did it.

In my previous post I thought that he was the anti-christ and I think that I was wrong. He will be apointed to bring sactifices too.



The Scripture does NOT confirm your statements below:



There are only TWO RESURRECTIONS for all saints mentioned in Rev 20:4-6: The FIRST RESURRECTION is for Martyrs and the 24 Elders only and INCLUDES the Tribulation Martyrs.



We actually see thow resurrections: one for saints another one for those who will be judged at the end of millenium reign of Jesus.



I want also to add that God describes Temple in detalis and mentions that even priests will eat offerings.

It was said not in vain. I believe that this Temple will be constructed in future.



Also, I remember I discussed before with Jewish scholars anymal sacrifices in Israel. I asked them: why did you stop bringing these sacrifice after death of Jesus. Was the reason only Temple? No one has any reason....they just stopped and they think there is no need for such sacrifices!!!

But why not if God ordered to do it?!

No one knows th answer...



Jesus said: This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.Matthew 26:28



Hebrews 5

Qualifications for High Priesthood

1 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness. 3 Because of this he is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was.

A Priest Forever



5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:





� You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You.�[a]



6 As He also says in another place:





� You are a priest forever

According to the order of Melchizedek�;[b]







7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest �according to the order of Melchizedek,� 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

Spiritual Immaturity



12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 09:05 AM

Hebrews 7

The King of Righteousness

1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated �king of righteousness,� and then also king of Salem, meaning �king of peace,� 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils. 5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; 6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better. 8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. 9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.

Need for a New Priesthood



11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.[a] 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies:[b]





� You are a priest forever

According to the order of Melchizedek.�[c]





18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is thebringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Greatness of the New Priest



20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:





� The LORD has sworn

And will not relent,



� You are a priest forever[d]

According to the order of Melchizedek��),[e]







22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who isholy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people�s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 09:05 AM

Hebrews 8

The New Priestly Service

1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, �See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.�[a] 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

A New Covenant



7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: �Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah� 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the LORD. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, �Know the LORD,� for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds[b] I will remember no more.�[c]

13 In that He says, �A new covenant, � He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 09:06 AM

Hebrews 9

The Earthly Sanctuary

1 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary. 2 For a tabernacle was prepared: the first part, in which was the lampstand, the table, and the showbread, which is called the sanctuary; 3 and behind the second veil, the part of the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of All, 4 which had the golden censer and the ark of the covenant overlaid on all sides with gold, in which were the golden pot that had the manna, Aaron�s rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant; 5 and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

Limitations of the Earthly Service



6 Now when these things had been thus prepared, the priests always went into the first part of the tabernacle, performing the services. 7 But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people�s sins committed in ignorance; 8 the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. 9 It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience� 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.

The Heavenly Sanctuary



11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come,[a] with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, 14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

The Mediator�s Death Necessary



16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, �This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.�[b] 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Greatness of Christ�s Sacrifice



23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another� 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 09:51 AM

Also note:



and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.





2 Thessalonians 2

The Great Apostasy

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

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Posted : 21 Jul, 2011 10:15 AM

There are some who believe that a {4th} Jewish Temple built to Biblical specifications will appear during the End-Times and is suggested in Revelation 11:1.� The TEMPLE IN HEAVEN is mentioned 12 times in Revelation where worshipers are present: Rev 3:12;7:15;11:19(2X);14:15,17;15:5,6,8(2x); & Rev 16:1,17. The only other time that a temple is mentioned is in Rev 11:1; where worshipers are present; so this could also be a reference to the TEMPLE IN HEAVEN. Let us compare Rev 11:1 with Rev 7:15 and Rev 8:3-5:� Revelation 11:1: I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the TEMPLE OF GOD and the ALTAR, and count the worshipers there." Rev 7:15:"They {martyrs as per Rev 7:9-14} are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in HIS TEMPLE." Rev 8:3-5: Another angel, who had a golden censor, came and stood at the ALTAR. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden ALTAR before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand.�



Ephesians 2:19b-22:� "You are members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ Himself as the chief cornerstone {Of the 4th and LAST TEMPLE}.� In Him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a HOLY TEMPLE in the Lord.� And in Him you too are being built {Living Stones-1 Pet 2:5} together to become a dwelling in which God lives by His Spirit.� 2 Cor 6:16 "For *WE are the TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD!"{See Revelation 11:1 above!!} Acts 17:24: The God who made the world and everything in it ...does not live in temples built by hands. The �outer court� of the TEMPLE OF GOD in Rev 11:2 would be the saints on earth who are also the TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD.

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