Basically, LORDship Salvation is defined as a changing of the word repent to mean something other than what it realy means and that being willing to submit your life to the LORDship Of JESUS CHRIST to receive salvation. This is the �front door� of LORDship Salvation. The �back door� to LORDship Salvation is here saying that if you are really saved by �genuine� faith, you will live a moral life and have good works. Both the �front door� and �back door� of LORDship Salvation are false, satanic doctrines predicated on man�s opinion and not the WORD of GOD. Actually, LORDship Salvation is not salvation at all; but a faith plus works perversion which does not result in eternal salvation.
Vine�s Expository Dictionary of Greek New Testament Words states the following concerning the word �belief,�
�Belief as a verb is the gr. �PISTEUO� to believe, also to be persuaded of, and hence to place confidence in, to trust signifies in the sense of the word, reliance upon.�
Strong�s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible,
�Believeth in Romans 4:5 is the gr. �PISTEUO� and defined as: �reliance upon CHRIST for salvation.�
Salvation is by faith in the death, Shedding Of JESUS CHRIST' Blood and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST and that He paid for all my sins: past, present, and future, period! CHRIST' last words on the cross as given in John 19:30 were, �...It is finished...!� Salvation is offered only as a free gift, received only by faith. And that is faith...period!
�For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.� Ephesians 2:8-9.
How absurd that anyone would teach that believers must remain faithful, work hard for God, and walk the narrow path if they want to go to Heaven. LORDship Salvation teaches this kind of garbage. LORDship Salvation corrupts the meaning of Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Proponents Of LORDship Salvation differentiate between the words in Matthew 7:14, claiming that JESUS is the gate, but the "way" refers to a continued life of holy living. (This is heresy!) LORDship Salvation's teaching completely ignores the plain truth of Romans 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Could the WORD of GOD be any clearer? A sinner's faith is counted for righteousness! It is JESUS who justifieth the unGODly by faith; Not) by works! A man's faith in JESUS is equivalent to a life of righteousness. If the LORDship Salvationist is correct, i.e., that JESUS was teaching that salvation requires walking a strait "way" of continued obedience to GOD, then salvation is a Process Not A Free Gift.
IS SALVATION A 100 % FREE GIFT AND ETERNAL*REWARDS* 100% EARNED??
Ephesians 2:8,9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the **GIFT** of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!"
Hebrews 11:6: "Anyone who comes to God:rolleyes: must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him."
Ephesians 6:7,8: "Serve wholeheartedly...because you know that the Lord will *REWARD* everyone for whatever good he does!"
2 John 1:8: "Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be *REWARDED* fully!"
I Corinthians 3:6-9: Paul said, "I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God makes things grow. The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be *REWARDED* according to his own labor. For we are God's fellow workers:rolleyes:!"
Daniel 12:3: "Those who impart wisdom will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!"
Matthew 5:11,12: Jesus says, "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your *REWARD* in heaven!" {See Luke 6:35}
Revelation 22:12: Jesus says, "Behold, I am coming soon! My *REWARD* is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!"
2 Corinthians 5:9,10: "So we make it our goal to please Him..For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him:rolleyes: for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad!"
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His **FATHER'S GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**{See Matt 24:30-31;25:31-40}, and **THEN** He will *REWARD* each person according to what he has done,"
Jesus says in Rev 2:17; 3:4, 5, 21: �To him who overcomes...I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it:rolleyes:.....He will walk with Me for he is worthy:rolleyes:.... I will acknowledge his name before My Father and His angels.... I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem.....I will write on him my New Name... and I will give him the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.� According to Rev 22:3 these 2 thrones will be the only thrones in the Heavenly New Jerusalem!.
So Salvation is a 100% FREE GIFT as per Ephesians 2:8,9 and eternal *REWARDS* for God's faithful saints are 100% earned!
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for *ACTION*, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given *YOU* when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.:applause::peace::angel:
Ninja, Lordship Salvation is simply the old argument of faith vs. works. All Lordship Salvation is saying is that IF you are truly saved you will live a moral life, not to gain salvation, but because you want to please God. It is the opposite of those who say they are saved, but then show no fruit of the spirit.
It would be like saying that you love your wife, but then spend no time with her, will not support her, verbally tear her down in front of others. How can you say that you truly love your wife if you treat her like that. But, simply going through the motions of buying her gifts, supporting her financially, and talking to her every once in a while doesn�t mean you love her either. Love isn�t just simply going through the motions, it is a state of mind.
Similarly, salvation isn�t about doing a few rituals and being saved, it is about a change of mind. The Greek word for repentance simply means �to change one�s mind�. If I had in mind to buy a car, and then decided not to, then I would have �repented� of my decision to purchase the car. Salvation is the same way, we change our mind about God, stop rejecting his rule in our lives and make him the Lord of our lives.
Similarly, salvation isn�t about doing a few rituals and being saved, it is about a change of mind. The Greek word for repentance simply means �to change one�s mind�. If I had in mind to buy a car, and then decided not to, then I would have �repented� of my decision to purchase the car.
Salvation is the same way, we change our mind about God,
Mr.Merciful:
To change ones mind about GOD Almighty,this is not something which you,I or anyone else in this life,has been or will be able to be doing by ourselves.
Salvation does not come by the changing of ones mind.
This is Works from which there is NO SALVATION
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not of works, that not anyone should boast;
Cobbler,IF-IF-IF you,all by yourself; are able to change your mind about GOD,Then there is no good reason for you to be trusting Yeshua to be saving you from the wrath of GOD against sin(s).
For you are able on your own, to change your mind.
You have no need for the Holy Spirit to change you.
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Cobbler:
stop rejecting his rule in our lives and ' make him the Lord of our lives'.
Merciful:
Cobbler,I believe that you and many others have been drinking the Kool-aid.
Cobbler,you are not able to be 'making Yeshua LORD'.
How are you, or anyone else able to be making Yeshua what He is already;
Yeshua already is 'LORD'.
Whether you,I ,or anyone esle wants Yeshua to be LORD of their lives,or for that that matter,To being LORD of all.
He is LORD,and He gives faith to His people to trust Him with everything.
Example:
How many people want Obama as the president of this nation.
Too bad,He already is the president.
No matter what I do,or do not do Obama is president.
The laws he and his cronies make will be affecting lives,whether the people understand this or not.
The same with Yeshua and more.
Just because people do not want Him to be LORD,too bad He is and will always be LORD.
To those not trusting Yeshua,too bad,He is LORD.
To the Christians,whether they are obedient or not,
Yesuha is LORD.
Whether people live or die Yeshua is LORD.
If you have to 'MAKE' Yeshua LORD,then He cannot be THE LORD OF HIS CREATION.
Nor is He the Messiah.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
What ?...George~George~George...:laugh:...Why do you run with what you believe is Wrong with a persons coment or perspective afor Searching out the Truth in it ???...Are you leaning towards the Calvinistic Thinking that a person Doesnt have the Ability or Choice to change ones mind ???...xo
What ?...George~George~George......Why do you run with what you believe is Wrong with a persons coment or perspective afor Searching out the Truth in it ???...
Merciful:
Jude,I commented on Cobblers answers.
I did not know there was anything wrong with that.
Seeing that Cobbler is wrong about Salvation is to be changing ones mind.
From Cobbler:
"Similarly, salvation isn�t about doing a few rituals and being saved, it is about a change of mind".
Merciful:
I have understood Salvation as Yeshua GIVING a person Eternal life,Not changing ones mind.
To changes ones mind for Salvation is 'WORKS'
Being given FAITH from YHWH to Trusting Yeshua to save me from the Wrath of GOD against my sin(s),now this is Salvation.
The Greek word for repentance simply means �to change one�s mind�. If I had in mind to buy a car, and then decided not to, then I would have �repented� of my decision to purchase the car. Salvation is the same way, we change our mind about God, stop rejecting his rule in our lives and make him the Lord of our lives.
Jude:
Are you leaning towards the Calvinistic Thinking that a person Doesnt have the Ability or Choice to change ones mind ???...xo
Merciful:
Until YHWH 'GRANTS' a person Repentance,then there cannot be any change of mind on the part of the person.
Remember Yeshuas' words.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
SHalom
Merciful
ps:
As I have stated a few times on this site already.
I am not a calvinist.
Nor have i ever been,nor will i become a calvinist.
I do not follow calvin.
I am not a disciple of calvin.
I do not read 'ANYTHING' by calvin.
I do not even quote ANYTHING by calvin.
I have been and will be until my last breath and Yeshua slays me.
I will trust Yeshua to be protecting me from the wrath of GOD against my sin(s).
I have been and will continue to be,a Biblical Believer in Yeshua my GOD,Saviour,and King.
pss:
Maybe Cobbler could be more Biblical in his answers.
I cannot and will not exhort bad Theology,or bad Exegesis.
Romans 7: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [ 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [ So then with [ the mind I myself ] serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. ]
Romans 8: 5 For they that are after the flesh [ do mind ] the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [ 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. ]
Romans 8: 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that [ ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. ]
2 Corinthians 8: [12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. ]
Eph 4: 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be [ renewed in the spirit of your mind; ] 24 And that ye put on the new man, [ which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ] 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Titus 3: [ 1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, ] 2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. 3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [ 5 Not by works of righteousness ] which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, [ by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; ]
Phelimon 1: [14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly. ]
