What chapter and verse in Revelation are you referring to?? The 7 angels:angel: in Revelation chapters 8 and 9 and chapters 15 and 16 are from God. The angels:angel: in chapter 14 are also from God.
The only angels not from God in Revelation are found in Revelation 12:9: The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and all HIS ANGELS with him. This will take place just before the beginning of the 1260-day Great Tribulation as per {Rev 12:10 to Rev 13:1} and the coming of 666 in Rev 13:1.
Since there are just over 100 million heavenly angels and one third of the angels rebelled with Satan; then the angels of Satan should number about 50 million.{See Jude 1:6,7}
I think maybe Bahira is speaking about the war that takes place between the angels in Revelation chapter 12, when Michael the archangel and God's holy angels will war against satan and his demonic fallen angels during the Tribulation period, as Daniel prophesies in chapter 10.... I 'm not sure if this si what she is asking about.
1. in Rev. chapter 6 we see horses and and who sat on them (are they angels or not?). God's angels or demons?
2.in Rev.7 angels causing cataclysms
After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
3.in Rev. 8
4. in Rev.9. (especially 9:15).
5.in Rev.15
My question is:
How God's angels can be killers? Or are they executores? If yes, then how they can be connected to demons in Rev.9:1-3?
I cannt understand how demons can act together with God's angels....
We know that demons will be judged by saints, but what is demons are acting together with God's angels? Where is here the balance of good and bad?
In Rev 9:1-3 The star or angel of God just opened the Abyss and then Satan sent his fallen angels called locusts to hurt only the lost.
Revelation 16:4-6: The 3rd angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, you who were, the Holy One, because You have so judged; for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets; and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve!"
WILL THE COURAGEOUS TRIBULATION SAINTS SUFFER THE WRATH OF GOD??
God has always allowed His people to suffer tribulation and trials because they purify and perfect their faith and will gain countless eternal rewards when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED. There are over 40,000 saints martyred every year and the main culprit is no longer just Islam and the RC Church. Millions of saints were martyred by the Communist atheist countries after 1917 in Russia and after 1948 in China and then in North Korea and Vietnam. Many more millions were killed by Japan 1937-1945 and by the Fascists in Italy and Germany 1922-1945. Romans 8:35-37: �Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?... For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us!�
I Peter 1:6-8:���In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED.��
I Peter 2:20b,21: �But if you suffer for doing good and endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow IN HIS STEPS.� I Peter 4:12,13: �Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But REJOICE that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is *REVEALED!� Rev 2:10: Jesus says, �Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life.� Read other persecution verses: Matthew 5:10-12; Romans 5:3; Heb 13:35-40; 2 Tim 3:12; 2 Cor 1:7-10; I Thess 3:3,4; Phil 1:29; Phil 3:10; Rev 12:11; Rev 13:9,10 & Rev 14:13.
������ The courageous and faithful Tribulation saints will *NOT* be hurt by God�s *WRATH* as shown in Rev 14:9-11; 15:1,7; 16:1,19; or in any of the 7 trumpet or 7 bowl plagues as explained in Rev 9:4,20,21 and Rev 16:2,4-6,9,10,21; or in any of the plagues of God�s 2 witnesses as per Rev 11:6,10; or in *ETERNAL HELL*: Rev 14:9-11: �If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he will drink of the wine of God�s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of *HIS WRATH*.� He will be tormented with burning sulfur and the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever.�
The pre-tribs often confuse the wrath of God with the persecution from the anti-christ. They are not the same thing. The wrath of God is intended for the ungodly and will be poured upon them and them only. The Lord knows His target and He never misses. Jesus warned in Matthew 10:28, �And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.�
In Rev 18:1-24 we read about the plagues that will destroy the headquarters of 666 during the Great Tribulation. This evil city on 7 hills {See Rev 17:9} is called �Babylon� which Peter implied was the nickname for Rome in 2 Peter 5:13. In Rev 18:4 a voice from Heaven will order God's saints to stay away from Babylon {Rome-That great seaport-Rev 18:17-19} so that they will not participate in her sins or be hurt by God's wrath which will completely destroy Rome with many horrific plagues. There are 260 verses from Revelation chapters 6 thru 20 and 128 of these verses or 49% tell of the wrath of God to unbelievers, 666, his False Prophet and Rome. However, not even one of these verses tells of any wrath of God toward His courageous Tribulation saints. :applause:
Even pre-tribbers and mid-tribbers reluctantly agree that believers during the Great Tribulation will be exempt from the wrath of God.
Brothers, I have meditated on the Holy Scripture and let me share with you what I think now on the issue of the part of angels during the end time events.
But God said to the prophet Zechariah that He Himself will gather nations to attack Israel at the end of time and He will defeat them:
"For I (God) will gather ALL nations against Jerusalem.
The city (Jerusalem) shall be taken,
the houses rifled,
and the women ravished (brutally raped).
Why God HIMSELF will gather nations to attack Israel???!!!!
My sister Ella said:
When God says I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle... From what I gather from Zevhariah 14, prophecy is that God Himself is going to ALLOW these nations to attack Jerusalem to show them and let them see His mighty power, but Jerusalem will be saved from the battle against those enemies who come up against her by God, because He is going to fight for her, and this is when a remnant of Israel will be saved, some will be destroyed during the battle and taken as prisoners. Then all the nations will know that Israel is a chosen people of the God... in the presences of God Himself. Zechariah's prophecy is speaking about Jesus Christ's millennial reign especially when he speaks about the Feast of tabernacles celebrating the return of Israel from exile which is the celebration of Jesus' return to Israel... this is according to my eye sight of what I see this prophecy to be saying...
Will God arrange this war?
But there is a difference between:
I will ALLOW these nations to attack Jerusalem and I will gather them together!!!!
Here God shows that He is involved in this battle. He knows the outcome of this battle and He is a mail player there. He is the winner of this war and His Son will defeat the enemy.
Is everything bad from God? All killings? No.
Does He allow to kill and rape children? No.
We play our roles in this theater of our lives. He will judge us.
And He is going to judge those who will attack Israel and Jews.
To reveal His Son to people and judge the nations, He is going to protect Jews and participate in this war.
Look what He said about the leader of the Muslim states during this war:
�Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.
I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws,
and lead you out, with all your army,
horses, and horsemen,
all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields,
all of them handling swords.
Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet;
Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops�many people are with you.
�Prepare yourself and be ready,
you and all your companies that are gathered about you;
and be a guard for them.
After many days you will be visited.
Ezekiel 38
God will allow nations to attack Israel to reveal His Son and save people.
Look how our loving God will feel when He will kill you Hamas. He loves you and He called you so many times to TURN your hearts to Him but you rejected Him.
� I have held My peace a long time,
I have been still and restrained Myself.
Now I will cry like a woman in labor,
I will pant and gasp at once.
I will lay waste the mountains and hills,
And dry up all their vegetation;
I will make the rivers coastlands,
And I will dry up the pools.
Isaiah 42:14-15
�Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog,
�Thus says the Lord GOD:
�On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?
Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you,
all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.
You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land.
It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land,
so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.�
Ezekiel 38
�Every man�s sword will be against his brother.
And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed;
I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him,
flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself,
and I will be known in the eyes of many nations.
Then they shall know that I am the LORD.��
Ezekiel 38
Just because God allows those enemy soldiers (Muslim states) to do those things (destruction of Israel and rape of Jewish people in Israel) does not mean that He is pouring His wrath or judgment upon His people. Just because God allows those enemy soldiers to do those things does not mean that God is doing these things.
He is not starting this war!!!
He is not starting the war of Hamas and Muslims in Palestine against Israel!
He gave us lives and we will give Him account of how we have used them.
He gave us lives/allows us to live and He is not guilty of our crimes we perform in our lives!
But His judgment will devour us the same way like these nations if we will not conform our lives to His high standards of righteousness and FAITH in His Son Jesus.
God is the main player during this Future Third World War and He will defend Israelites and show the nations who will attack Israel that He always was and is God of Israel!
He is faithful to His people. He is the Savior of His people.
His name is God of Israel.
Those, who oppose Israel and hate what God loves, oppose our God who is God of Israel!
God is telling us what will happen when all the nations ARE GATHERED, and THEY attack Israel, and He will ALLOW these things so show Himself mighty and powerful against those who attack Israel, then
THE END... JESUS COMES!
God is going to allow His angels to cause suffering on earth before the start of this Muslim war!
Some of angels who will participate during these plagues are God�s angels and God will even allow satan to reveal his demons to torture people too.
Is here the balance of GOOD and BAD?
Yes.
Demons are preparing for this War knowing that their judgment is near too.
Remember: God gave us lives/allows us to live and He is not guilty of our crimes we perform in our lives!
The same way God will allow demons to participate during the end time events. But He will not send demons to torture people! God will send only His executors/God�s angels like He did it before.
Let me remind you that:
Passover commemorates the liberation of the Israelites by God from slavery in Egypt, as recorded in the Holy Torah (Book of Exodus).
In Egypt God appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush and said,
"I have seen the misery of my people.
I have heard their cries,
I care about their suffering,
and I have come to rescue them.
I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people out of Egypt."
(Exodus 3:7-10)
Moses obeyed God and confronted Pharaoh.
But when Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites go,
God sent a series of plagues to persuade him to believe in His mighty Power.
With the final plague God promised to strike dead every first-born son in Egypt at midnight.
But to Moses, the Lord provided instructions so his Jewish people would be spared. Each Hebrew family was to take a Passover lamb, slaughter it, and place some of the blood on the door frames of their homes. When the destroyer/an angel from God passed over Egypt, he would not enter the homes covered by the blood of the Passover lamb.
The same way we all will be saved from the future WRATH If we will believe in the Son of God/ the Lamb of God who shed His blood on the cross and took the sin of the world to His HOLY body to make us FREE of all our sins. The past story is an illustration or symbol to show us how we all should be saved by the blood of God Jesus.
At midnight, the Lord struck down all the firstborn of Egypt.
Thus, God of Israel is sending executors during the last days/the tribulation period to TURN our hearts to God and to call us to repentance.
So brothers, angels of God (not demons) are executors and they will cause disasters and cataclysm described in the Revelation (the last book of the Holy Bible).
In Rev.7 angels causing cataclysms
After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth,
holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
How God's angels can be killers?
They are fighters.
They are executors.
How they can be connected to demons in Rev.9:1-3?
In Rev 9:1-3 The star or angel of God just opened the Abyss and then Satan sent his fallen angels called locusts to hurt only the lost.
Revelation 16:4-6: The 3rd angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, you who were, the Holy One, because You have so judged; for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets; and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve!"
The angels of God are not connected to demons.
They are fighting against demons.
But God will allow demons to take their part in the future events too.
Demons are preparing for the coming cataclysms too.
Moreover, we know that demons will be judged by saints.
There is the balance of good and bad.
Demons/the fallen angels are enemies of God and His fighters/angels and all people on earth because God loves all people and desires to save them from death. That�s why demons are trying to kill and destroy people to cause damage to God.
The Bible warns the darkest days of Earth�s history are yet future ...
The events will be awesome and will strike suddenly. The events will be terrible. An unbelieving world will be taken by surprise.
The devastation will be complete. The devastation will be global.
The Bible is clear in its warnings . . .
Please remember, while God promises hope and an escape to the believer, there will be no hope for those who reject God and His Son Jesus! There will be no escape from the devastation. Fury will be unleashed upon the world. The fury will be relentless.
Prophecies are placed in the Bible for a reason. Let�s not be held accountable for ignoring them. Warning signs are given to help us draw near to God for protection before the coming Judgment and Armageddon/the Third World War ...
"But you, brethren, are not in darkness,
so that this Day (the 'Rapture of the Church' and the coming 'Apocalypse')
should overtake you as a thief.
You are all sons of light and sons of the day.
We are not of the night nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as others do,
but let us watch and be sober . . .
For God did not appoint us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ"
(1Thessalonians 5:4-6,9)
Through His prophets God also warned He would then judge nations for their disbelief, disobedience and profaning His holy name and the name of His HOLY Son Jesus.
What will occur after the resurrection of ALL God's saints on the Last Day is quite a bit different from the Zechariah account in Zechariah 14:10-21 which leads us to believe the Zechariah account is just symbolic. Also in NT a few days before Jesus comes again almost all the Jews will be saved and the NT Covenant commands us to love our enemies and to always offer up the other cheek. The only weapon NT saints may fight with is the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God, So Jesus and heavenly forces {Not the Israeli army} will defeat Satan 666 and all his armies according to God's Word.
WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE LAST DAY AT THE 2ND COMING OF JESUS??
Luke 21:25,26: Jesus says, �Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world. See also Mark:13:24,25; Matt 24:29 & Rev 6:12-17
Luke 21:28: When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.
Rev 1:7: Look, He is coming with the clouds, and **EVERY** eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. Just before His 2nd Coming every saved and lost person will be awakened to witness His 2nd Coming as per Matt 26:64; John 5:28,29 & Daniel 12:2 This will not include the martyrs and the 24 Elders on thrones who will already be awake as per Rev 4:4; 6:9-11; 7:9,14,15 & Rev 20:4-6.
Matt 24:30,31; Mark 13:24,25; & Luke 21:27: At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will *SEE the Son of man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels:angel::angel: with a loud trumpet call {the 7th and Last Trumpet}, and they will gather his elect from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.� I Thess 4:16b,17: �The dead in Christ will rise first, After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.� Mark 13:27b adds �He will gather His elect from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to the ends of the heavens. {Saints in Heaven}
I Corinthians 15:49,51,52: Just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the Man from Heaven {See Rev 1:13-16}...We will not all sleep, but we will **ALL** be changed�in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the {7th &} Last Trumpet!�
Then all of God's saints with their new heavenly bodies will celebrate the marriage Feast of the Lamb: Rev 19:7,8: �Hallelujah!... for the Wedding of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean was given her to wear!�
There will be 2 comings of Jesus on the same Last Day. The First will be **FOR** His saints and the Second Coming will be **WITH** His saints just after the marriage Feast of the Lamb.
Revelation 19:11,13;14, 19-21:.�I saw Heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose Rider is called Faithful and True... He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. The armies of Heaven were following Him riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean {See Rev 19:8}.... Then I saw the Beast {666} and the {10} kings { See Rev 17:12-14 below} of the earth and their {10} armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and His army. But the Beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf... The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. {See Rev 17:12-14 and Jude 14-16}
Rev 17:12-14; The 10 horns you saw are 10 kings... They will give their power and authority to the Beast {666}. They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings.�
Then Satan {See Rev 16:13,14,16} and the rest of the armies of the world surrounded Jerusalem {After arriving at Armageddon just 55 miles North of Jerusalem} Rev 20:9,10: �But fire came down from Heaven and devoured them. And the Devil who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast {666} and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.�
I Cor 15:20-24: �But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep...For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS;; then when He comes, those who belong to Him. {*THEN*} the {*END*} will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.�
Luke 21:33: Jesus says �Heaven and earth will pass away but My Words will never pass away!� 2 Peter 7,10,13: �The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the Day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men{NOT 1,000 YEARS LATER}... But the Day of the Lord {See I Cor 1:7,8} will come like a thief.{To unbelievers} The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up {NOT 1,000 YEARS LATER]... But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the Home of righteousness.�
Revelation 20:11-14: �Then I saw a great white **THRONE** {See Matt 25:31b below} and Him {Jesus} who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled away from His presence {See 2 Peter 3:10-12; I Cor 15:24 & Rev 21:1}, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another Book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the Books and each person was judged according to what he had done {See Rev 22:12}. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. If anyone's name was not found written in the {Lamb's-Rev 13:8; 17:8} Book of Life {Dan 12:1b,2}, he was thrown into the lake of fire.�
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: �**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on **HIS THRONE** {See Rev 20:11 above} in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.�
�*THEN* the King will say to those on the right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.� {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth�See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13}
�**THEN* He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.� ....{See John 12:48; John 5:28,29; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Daniel 12:2}
�*THEN* they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.�
Rev 21 1:1-3: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. {THEN} I saw the NEW JERUSALEM, coming down out of heaven from God...,And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, �Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them!!� {You will note that the New Jerusalem will come only *AFTER the present heaven and earth have passed away.} �They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.!! He who was seated on the Throne said, �I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**:applause::angel:!!� See John 14:1-3; Hebrews 11:10,16; 2 Peter 3:10-13
