1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating
1b) the assembly of the Israelites
1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously
1d) in a Christian sense
1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
1d2) a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order�s sake
1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body
1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564
Citing in TDNT: 3:501, 394
So than,the 'church' is made up of people who have been called out of this life,by GOD according to His will;Unto being
with Yeshua for eternity.
The purpose of each individual is to Know Yeshua,and the power of His ressurection.
Php_3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
To worship Yeshua in the power and leading of the Holy Spirit.
John_4:24 God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.
To make disciples,and to continually,baptize/immerse others into the name(s) of GOD,as revealed within the Scripture.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The 'Church' has been chosen of GOD,from out of all of the people to be the 'Bride' of Christ.
This choosing is the same as to when a man chooses one particular Lady from out of all of the woman in this life,to be his wife.
John_15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
The man does not reject all of the other woman,
No, he has freedom to choose according to his will.
The 'church' in America (OOOPPSS,the Homeland ) for the most part see themselves as having no placeWithin the body with which to minister.
One man says 'I am in THE MINISTRY',BUT THE TRUTH is,that ALL ARE IN THE MINISTRY.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The church,not the so-called clergy are responsible for breaking bread together.
In 1st Corinthians chapters 11-14,there is no mention of A so-called senior pastor,or pastor.
No elders,no deacons,NO GIANTS of the faith.
There is just the body of Yeshua meeting together to WORSHIP Him,and to remember Who He is,and to proclaim what He is like.
Mat_23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat_23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G2596 and G2233
The 'church' is responsible TO 'ONE ANOTHER,ONE ANOTHER'.
The term 'One another is found about 25 times in the NEW COVENANT.
The 'church' is responsible to ecourage one another unto Love, and Good works.
Heb_10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
The 'church' is also to administer discipline/Excommunication.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
The 'Church' is to LOVE without condition.
1Co 13:1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I have become as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 1Co 13:13 And now faith, hope, and love, these three things remain; but the greatest of these is love.
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
The 'Church' is to be forgiving without bringing the matter back up.
Mat 18:21 Then coming up to Him, Peter said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Until seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus said to him, I do not say to you, Until seven times, but, Until seventy times seven.
Since this, plus much more is the sole RESPONSIBILITY of each and every individual Believer in Yehsua;
Then why is the 'Church' that is on CDFF not doing and being the 'Church'
Is this because people do not believe that being on CDFF constitutes being the body of Christ.
WHY not!
Some say,this is the INTERNET,not the 'church'
Is it that there is not a building for people to be meeting in.
Could it be there is no so-called senior pastor or some type of structured system in place, which makes people FANS
of Worshipping Yeshua,instead of being Active participants.
Is not Yeshua the Pastor of the body of believers.
Greek word for the English word Pastor:Poimen
G4166
ποιμήν
poimēn
Thayer Definition:
1) a herdsman, especially a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow
2) metaphorically
2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church
2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies
2a2) of kings and princes
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901
John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
John 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Maybe if these had been what the 'church had been doing on this site,possibly those that had been banned might still be here.
Or even Excommunicated from the site according to Matthew 18:15-20
In closing,The believers have been told that Yeshua is whereever 2 or more have gathered in His name.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
If this is so,then is this also true of being on CDFF.
Please remember that there are people from around this life,across this planet that tune into CDFF and they read
what is posted here.
We are responsible to be truthing in LOVE the Word of GOD.
Ask Cain;
Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Ask Yeahua to open the eyes of your understanding,to see beyond this life.
To see beyond the 4 walls where people meet together,calling this 'THE CHURCHand WORSHIPPING the LORD'
That ABBA would use those that have been saved to boldly,and lovingly proclaim the Gospel
the way that it has been written,not to tickle the ears of those hearing the Word of GOD.
Shalom
Mr.Merciful
ps:
Too bad there is not some way to be having a site or board for the believers to be BREAKING BREAD with others from
THE CHURCH:WHo is the Church and the purpose thereof
Posted : 18 Jun, 2011 10:56 PM
I agree with you, completely. My heart goes out to you, and well a lot of people. I have acted poorly in the past. I know in my heart I'm forgiven. I'm hoping people read this and speak compassionately.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 01:21 AM
You have to watch the poster, and then again read the post.
He doesn't want the church to be under pastor's
The church should not meet in a building according to George.
Eph 4:1 0 He that descened is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 03:54 AM
Phil says:
You have to watch the poster, and then again read the post.
Mr.Merciful:
I remember reading about a college student who had a professor which said that he had read the word of GOD,yet it made no sense to the prof.
The young man said,Professor,the reason that the Word of GOD makes no sense to you is that,
The Word of GOD is His love letter to His people,and you have been reading someone elses mail.
This is the reason you,Phil do not understand ANYTHING which i have been writing.
Besides being,Angry,bitter,unforgiving,unloving,unkind,self righteous,Envious,and just looking for someone to be arguing with,and over some trivial issues at that.
phil says:
He doesn't want the church to be under pastor's
Merciful
The Word 'pastor' is used only one time in the New Covenant.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
The Greek word for' pastor',is the same word for 'shepherd'
Which is POIMEN:
G4166
ποιμήν
poimēn
Thayer Definition:
1) a herdsman, especially a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow
2) metaphorically
2a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church
2a1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies
2a2) of kings and princes
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901
There are no Biblical requirements for a person to being a pastor.
Why is this,because this is an office within the Body of Yeshua,which is not just for men.
Elders on the other hand along with the Deacons have Biblical requirements.
1Tim 3:1 Faithful is the Word: If anyone reaches out to overseership, he desires a good work.
1Tim 3:2 Then it behooves the overseer to be blameless, husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, well-ordered, hospitable, apt at teaching;
1Tim 3:3 not a drunkard, not a contentious one, not money-loving, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not avaricious;
1Tim 3:4 ruling his own house well, having children in subjection with all respect.
1Tim 3:5 But if anyone does not know how to rule his own house, how will he care for an assembly of God?
1Tim 3:6 He should not be a novice, lest being puffed up he may fall into the devil's judgment.
1Tim 3:7 But he must also have a good witness from those outside, that he not fall into reproach and into a snare of the devil.
1Tim 3:8 Likewise, deacons are to be reverent, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy of ill gain,
1Tim 3:9 having the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
1Tim 3:10 And also let these be tested first, then let them serve, being without reproach.
1Tim 3:11 Likewise, their wives are to be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.
1Tim 3:12 Let deacons be husbands of one wife, ruling their own houses and children well.
1Tim 3:13 For those having served well gain a good grade for themselves and much boldness in faith, those in Christ Jesus.
Titus 1:5 For this cause I left you in Crete, that you might set in order the things lacking and appoint elders in every city, as I ordered you:
Titus 1:6 If anyone is blameless, husband of one wife, having faithful children, not in accusation of loose behavior, or disobedient,
Titus 1:7 (for the overseer must be blameless as a steward of God), not self-pleasing, not prone to anger, not given to wine, not a quarreler, not greedy of ill gain;
Titus 1:8 but hospitable, a lover of good, discreet, just, holy, temperate,
Titus 1:9 clinging to the faithful Word according to the teaching, that he may be able both to encourage by sound doctrine and to convict the ones contradicting.
Titus 1:10 For there are indeed many insubordinate men, empty talkers and mind-deluders, especially those of the circumcision,
Titus 1:11 whose mouth you must stop, who overturn whole houses, teaching things which they ought not for the sake of ill gain.
Since there are no requirements for a man or woman to being a 'pastor',yet there are requirements for 'Elders and Deacons'
This should show that 'pastors' are under the 'Elders'.
Phil:
The church should not meet in a building according to George.
Merciful:
Please show me the NECESSITY of having to meet in a building.
Tell the UNDERGROUND Body of Believers in China,that they are wrong for meeting out in the Forests,while being persecuted and killed for their faith.
The would probably pray for you to be 'Saved'.
Most of the funds that could be used Wisely to helping,
Widows,Orphans and the needy,
These funds are instead used to pay for a building,utilities,and to pay for SALARIES and BENEFITS to men and woman to tell you what you should already be reading in the Word of GOD.
That is like paying the cook at the Outback restaurant to chew the food he has cooked for you,then serve that same food to you.
The same principle with those calling themsleves 'LEADERS OF THE SHEEP( le).
Meet in homes as the First century believers had been doing.
Merciful:
The Scriptures below show forth the purpose and the working of certain offices within the Body of Yeshua.
ALL of these offices are to be working TOGETHER,NOT JUST ONE,NAMELY 'pastor'
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Who where these Gifts given to George?
Why where they given George?
Phil:
I do believe that your questions have been sufficiently answered.
I will have no more dealings with you on this matter.
Shalom
Mr.Merciful
ABBA,have mercy to save Phil:
Open his eyes and mind to understand the Gospel of your SON Yeshua-Ha-Messhiach,The Messiah.
I would ask that you would give to Phil a new heart,a heart of flesh for his stoney heart.
That you open Phils' eyes and the eyes of his spirit to be seeing beyond this life.
That he would KNOW Yeshua for who Yeshua is,not just what he thinks he can get from Yeshua.
And that Phil would KNOW the power of the resurrection of Yeshua.
Thank you ABBA for hearing me,and answering according to your will.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 06:28 AM
When I first tried to post this, he CDFF system would not post it, because apparently of one word in the King James Version in Revelation 17: 1, which is a translation of the Greek pornes. The New International Version then for Revelation 17: 1 would pass the censorship of CDFF because it translates pornes as prostitute. Interesting.
Matthew 13 and II Thessalonians 2 are now very important in understanding what is called the "church."
In Matthew 13: 27 - the parable of the wheat and the tares - when the "servants of the household
came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in they field? from whence then hath it tares?"
Matthew 13: 28-30: "He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them. But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."
What is called the "church" is made up of the wheat and the tares together, and in the parable Christ
warns us not to pull up the tares. Why? Because we do not have the discernment of Christ to know exactly who is wheat and who is a tare. And - maybe someone who is like a tare can become wheat before he or she dies.
Then, Christ explains about how the whole loaf of bread, a metaphor representing those who claim to be God's people, who are referred to her as the kingdom of hedaven, are leavened. This occupies only one verse in Matthew 13, but it is important. Matthew 13: 33 says "Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."
Luke 13: 21 says this: "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."
There are a few other scriptures which how us how Christ is using the metaphor of the leaven.
In Matthew 16: 6 he says "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."
The Pharisees and the Sadducees were teaching doctrines contrary to the ones Jesus Christ was teaching. They were false teachers or false prophets. So leaven can be seen to be false doctrines.
Paul in I Corinthians 5: 6-7 warns that "Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened."
He is warning that a little bit of false doctrine will grow and contaminate the entire loaf, that is, a little bit of false doctrine will increase over time and make an entire ministry impure in its teachings.
Probably much of the leaven Paul is talking about here is an attempt to mix parts of the Old Covenant with the New Covenant, as happened in Acts 15: 5 when some of the Pharisees who believed insisted that Christian men must be circumcised and keep the law of Moses. But there are many kinds of leaven, or false doctrines.
So, over time the ministry called the "church" was increasingly leavened with false doctrines. This meant that in the parable of the wheat and the tares, more and more people in the
"church" were tares and fewer and fewer were wheat.
Lets look at II Thessalonians chapter two. Paul says in II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 that " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
The falling away is a falling away from the Gospel taught by Christ and his apostles. It occurs when the "church" is more fully leavened by false doctrines. The process of leavening of the "church" would go on for a time, for many decades, before the end times, or the tribulation period, when the falling away is more evident, that is, the falling away becomes more obvious during the end times, but has been going on for some time before.
II Thessalonians 2: 10-12 then explains that "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
This is a fearful text, because it warns that a person who does not have a love of the truth of scripture and falls off into accepting false doctrines taught by the false prophets (Matthew 24: 11) is not saved, and that in response God himself may send him strong delusion or error, so he believes lies. This describes the tares in the "church."
So the end time "church" can be seen as one in which the tares have become the majority. This raises the question of whether the "church" is - in the end times - really the body of Christ, the saints, and what Paul in Galatians 16: 6 refers to as the Israel of God?
God always preserves a Remnant, even when the majority falls away. And Revelation 18: 4 says "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
Some who want to defend the "church" as still being the Body of Christ without the majority now being tares might claim that "her" in Revelation 18: 4 is only financial and political Babylon and not the Babylon of Revelation 17: 1-11. I will quote just part of this text. " And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great (censored for CDFF) that sitteth upon many waters:
2. With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
Mystery Babylon the Great is false religion, and not limited to Roman Catholicism.
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Posted : 19 Jun, 2011 08:03 AM
George do you know how many times you have said, this is the last time I will address you, well anyhow several.
It does not matter how many times you try and bring division George, the truth will prevail and you will find yourself in a dry place less you repent and quit coming against the church.
