Thread: The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
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The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
Posted : 11 Jun, 2011 07:51 PM
The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
This is the one point that monergism establishes and synergism in all its forms denies: namely, that sinners are impotent to lift a finger toward their own salvation, but that salvation, from first to last, whole and entire is of the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom be all glory for ever; amen
Remember, divine election, by itself, has never saved anyone. It marks out certain individuals for salvation; it is God's "blueprint" of what he intends to do in time through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ and the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. God the Father elects, the Son redeems them, and the Spirit applies the work of Christ to the same. The Trinity works in harmony to bring about God's purposes of election... and He gathers them through the preaching of the gospel, the seed which the Spirit germinates and brings to life. Again, salvation is of the Lord.
Synergists teach that 'salvation depends on human will', but the Bible teaches that 'it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." (Rom 9:16) and that we "were born, not of...the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)
The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
Posted : 11 Jun, 2011 09:36 PM
James,
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
"This is the one point that monergism establishes and synergism in all its forms denies: namely, that sinners are impotent to lift a finger toward their own salvation,"
� Wrong again : Although man without the help of the Holy Spirit cannot lift a finger, a man whom the Holy Spirit is drawing is capable of choosing, ie : synergism by definition! .....:goofball:
"Remember, divine election, by itself, has never saved anyone. It marks out certain individuals for salvation; it is God's "blueprint" of what he intends to do"
� Wrong again: God is sovereign, He always accomplishes what he sets out to do. If God said you are saved before He created you then you are saved....with your doctrines of Sovereignty and Divine Election you have no other choice!.... :goofball:
The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
Posted : 12 Jun, 2011 06:37 AM
Perhaps it would be beneficial to all, to do just as Jesus has taught the hearer of the word, what does it benefit anyone to come up with terms going back and forth, and never coming to the Gospel,
The kingdom of God operate's by the hearing of the word of God, and thus believing and of a pure heart being a doer of the word of God, and not deceiving yourself.
The Critical Difference Between Monergism and Synergism
Posted : 15 Jun, 2011 07:43 PM
"Although man without the help of the Holy Spirit cannot lift a finger, a man whom the Holy Spirit is drawing is capable of choosing, ie : synergism by definition! "
Twosparrows, the problem with this view is that it does not properly make use of the biblical meaning of being drawn to Christ. Jesus was very clear in John 6:37-44. No man can come to Christ unless drawn by the Father ... and ... take note of this ... and ... those WHO are drawn WILL be saved and never lost. Being drawn necessitates being saved, or God is a failure.
And in case you are tempted to jump off to John 12:32, let me anticipate your objection by pointing out to you that the two texts are in completely different contexts dealing with two very different matters, and the clear reference being made in John 6 is individual, while the reference being made in John 12 is corporate (all kinds of peoples -- note what's happening in vs. 20ff. Also note the verses following vs. 32 which plainly state that some of those Jesus was speaking to COULD NOT believe).
"Wrong again: God is sovereign, He always accomplishes what he sets out to do. If God said you are saved before He created you then you are saved....with your doctrines of Sovereignty and Divine Election you have no other choice!"
Not sure I understand what you're saying here. Synergism, by definition, denies that God will always accomplish what He desires. It denies this because the very word synergism means "cooperative effort," syn- (together) ergos (working), meaning, in other words, that God's will is only one of two (often competing) factors in determining what happens. If you agree that God always accomplishes what he sets out to do, then you must also agree that those who die in their sins were intended to do so. And that is a position that only makes since under monergism.
