Thread: Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
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Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 01:08 PM
WHO WILL BE GOD'S TWO WITNESSES {REV 11:3} OR MEN {REV 11:6} OR PROPHETS {REV 11:10}??
Zechariah 4:11,14: "Then I asked the angel:angel:, 'What are these *TWO* OLIVE TREES {See Rev 11:4 below} on the right and left of the lamp stand?'... the angel said, 'These are the TWO who are anointed to serve the Lord of the earth!'" �Rev 11:3-6: {God said to John} "I will give power to My *TWO* witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth! These are the *TWO OLIVE TREES {See Zech 4:11,14 above} and the 2 lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire will come from their mouths to destroy their enemies.
This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die {See 2 Kings 1:9-12; Num 16:31-35}. These *MEN* will have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying {See 1 Kings 17:1; Luke 4:25; James 5:17}; and they will have power to turn the waters into blood {See Exodus 7:15-23} and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish." �
Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection. Luke 9:30,31: �TWO MEN Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus.� They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the *TWO MEN* dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: "They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly *TWO MEN* dressed in WHITE stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!"��
���� And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly *TWO MEN*... stood beside them... And the *MEN* said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!" �� Jesus says in John 8:17b: "The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get.
������ And so the coming of God's *TWO MEN* or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God's 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Rev 11:3-12 is that the Father, Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
� � Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.
The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled.� Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �washed in the Blood of the Lamb�.
Moses & Elijah will be dressed in SACKCLOTH which is appropriate since the Tribulation saints will be very poor, for they will not be able to buy or sell anything as per Rev 13:17. Moses and Elijah will certainly speak the Word of God with great power and love. They will not add or take words away from the Prophetic Words of God {See Rev 22:18,19}; and they will encourage God's courageous saints to adhere to *ALL* of the NT commandments {See Rev 12:13b; 14:12b; Matt 28:20a; John 14:15,21,23; I John 2:2-5} with love {See Matt 5:39-48 & Rom 12:17-21} in the face of severe and hostile persecution.
Moses and Elijah will begin their 1260-day testimony {Rev 11:3} 3 1/2 days before the coming of 666 & the 1260-day Great Tribulation and 1263 1/2 days before the Last Day. {*THE FIRST END-TIME EVENT*} Moses and Elijah will warn us of the coming of 666 & his False Prophet.
��� It seems very appropriate that God will send His TWO PROPHETS {See Rev 11:10b} to warn and prepare His saints for the coming of Satan, 666, the False Prophet and the Great Tribulation for in Amos 3:7 we read: "Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the PROPHETS!"�
GOD'S PROPHETS are mentioned 8 times in Revelation: Revelation 10:7; 11:10; 11:18; 16:6; 18:20,24; 22:6 & 22:9. Whereas; preachers, pastors and evangelists are not even mentioned once in Revelation! God will allow 666 to martyr Moses and Elijah {See Rev 11:7,8} right where their Lord was crucified. {At the new *HOLY PLACE* where Jesus shed his blood for our sins} 3 1/2 days later Moses and Elijah will rise to heaven just hours before the 7th angel:angel: sounds the 7th Trump at the 2nd coming of Jesus.{See Rev 11:11-18}
Mark 13:14: Jesus says, �When you see 666 standing where he does not belong {At the New Holy Place}....then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.� {See Rev 11:7,8 & Rev 16:15} John 2:19: Jesus said, �Destroy this TEMPLE and I will raise it again in 3 days.� This HOLY PLACE is where Jesus became the chief cornerstone {Eph 2:20,21} and we are living stones {I Pet 2:5 & 2 Cor 6:16} in the LAST TEMPLE made without hands! {Acts 17:24} ��
��Certainly, the old Jerusalem and the old Temple site are NO LONGER HOLY PLACES.�� Hebrews 13:12-14: "Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people HOLY THROUGH HIS BLOOD. Let us, then, go to Him outside the city, bearing the disgrace He bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the CITY {THE NEW JERUSALEM} that is to come." :peace:{See Heb 11:10,13-16; Heb 12:22; Rev 3:12b; 21:2,10-27; 22:1-5; 2 Pet 3:13}
Galatians 4:25,26:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." {The New Jerusalem}:applause:
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:50 PM
You said "Galatians 4:25,26:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." {The New Jerusalem} "
This is very relevant to Revelation Chapter 11 on the Two Witnesses - because in Revelation 11: 5-6 the two witnesses are shown to carry out a type of judgment which is typical of the Old Covenant, and not the New Covenant. In Galatians 4: 25-26 Paul contrasts the Old and New Covenants, and explains that The new Covenant, represented by the Jerusalem which is above, is free of bondage to the law and the Old Covenant.
The Two as witnesses is metaphoric, and though Elijah has a connection to verse 5 where fire comes out of the mouths of the Two Witnesses, two literal Old Testament characters is not crucial to the meaning of this chapter, and would distract from the meaning.
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:50 PM
You said "Galatians 4:25,26:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." {The New Jerusalem} "
This is very relevant to Revelation Chapter 11 on the Two Witnesses - because in Revelation 11: 5-6 the two witnesses are shown to carry out a type of judgment which is typical of the Old Covenant, and not the New Covenant. In Galatians 4: 25-26 Paul contrasts the Old and New Covenants, and explains that The new Covenant, represented by the Jerusalem which is above, is free of bondage to the law and the Old Covenant.
The Two as witnesses is metaphoric, and though Elijah has a connection to verse 5 where fire comes out of the mouths of the Two Witnesses, two literal Old Testament characters is not crucial to the meaning of this chapter, and would distract from the meaning.
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 04:27 PM
Halfback:
That sounds like the Christian Reformed view of Revelation which believes the whole book of Revelation is just one big symbolic fairy tale that no on can really understand. When I went to Calvin College which is the Christian Reformed college I learned that Luther did not believe that James and Revelation were part of God's Word and that John Calvin did not believe that Revelation was part of God 's Word and wrote an Institute for every book in the Bible except Revelation.
I have heard hundreds of sermons by Christian Reformed preachers and have never heard 1 sermon from the book of Revelation. Christian Reformed preachers will never admit that they don't believe Revelation is part of God's Word like their founder John Calvin since Revelation is now a part of every Protestant Bible.
Once you believe Revelation is a big symbolic fairy tale you can add any interpretation your little old heart desires.
The Post-trib view of Revelation is not dispensational in any way.
Rev 22:16,18,19: Jesus says, �I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give *YOU* {The Greek for YOU is plural} this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION} *FOR* the CHURCHES.� This contradicts the ridiculous dispensational idea that Revelation, chapters 4-19, was not written *FOR* the CHURCHES! The word �CHURCH�is also not mentioned in 9 books of the NT: John, Mark, Luke, 2 Tim, 1 John, 2 John, 1 Peter, 2 Peter and Jude; and is not mentioned in the first 15 chapters of Romans and yet every word in all these NT books are �FOR THE CHURCHES�..... �I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book.� If anyone *ADDS* anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.� And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY**{Like John Calvin} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city which are described in this book.�
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 06:09 PM
Luther and Calvin were probably influenced by the Preterist symbolic Roman Catholic view of Revelation which is very Satanic. Calvin also stated that he felt Revelation had no real spiritual significance and may not have fit in well with his Covenant non-dispensational doctrines.
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 07:56 PM
Since Scripture reveals Scripture.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Who are the 2 candlesticks?
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
I will post the 2 Olive trees when i return from work
Who will be God's 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:3-12??
Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 10:28 PM
Prophet,
The two witneses... although we are not told who they are and we can only spiritually guess based on what we find in the word. The two witness are identified as the two olive trees and the two candlesticks which relates to what Zechariah 4:2-6 provides for us, and Joshua and Zerubabel are described as the two olive tress finishing oli for a lambstand (Israel) in the past.
Therefore, I would think that the two witnesses could possibley be John the Baptist and Elijah who will be for Israel during the tribulation period... since John was the one who proclaimed the gospel of judgment and repentance, and when you look through Jesus' ministry He spoke about John and the return of Elijah. I have problems with Moses as being one of the two witness. Verse 4 says the two witnesses are the two olive trees, and the two candlsticks who will stand before God.Could very well be Joshua and Zerubabel as well...
