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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 10:38 AM

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Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 05:36 PM



Phil says:

This is from Psalm 8:6-8



Verses 6-8 NOWHERE,ever mentions anything about man having RULE or DOMINION over Satan, the angels,or spirits.



George the bible in the new testament is written to those that have accepted the lord or as many say saved, but you contend continually that you have a new revelation and the bible only reads as you say.



Let's start from the beginning, you proclaim that man can not respond to the word of God as the word instructs man to, that man would be saved. You also say that no where in the bible does it say man has to confess to be saved, you have said that statement is nothing but the tradition of men, How George can you so plainly proclaim yourself as in all knowing authority and you can't get in the front door. When you can settle the new birth, you have a beginning to start towards the truth but until then you can come into agreement with the lord on the new birth, you can not continually call the lord a liar and begin to understand him. You have to first come to him and settle first things first.



POIC:



Phil,You state that i have to confess in order to become saved.

This is 'WORKS',you are WORKING to become saved..



I on the other hand believe that a person trust Yeshua to save them from the wrath of GOD against sin.

Then after they have believed,then they confess to trusting Yehsua .

Even the faith they have in Yesuha has been given to them by GOD.



Eph 2:8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you--of God the gift,

Eph 2:9 not of works, that no one may boast;





Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." Gen. 15:6

Rom 4:4 Now to one working, the reward is not counted according to grace, but according to debt.

Rom 4:5 But to the one not working, but believing on Him justifying the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:6 Even as also David says of the blessedness of the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawlessnesses are forgiven, and whose sins are covered;

Rom 4:8 blessed the man to whom the Lord will in no way charge sin." LXX-Psa. 31:1, 2; MT-Psa. 32:1, 2

Rom 4:9 Is this blessedness then on the circumcision, or also on the uncircumcision? For we say the faith "was counted to Abraham for righteousness." Gen. 15:6

Rom 4:10 How then was it counted? Being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision!





Hey Phil:

I Love you,but you have to get your Biblical FACTS straight.





Shalom:

Mr.Meanie

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 12:21 PM

George your deception is not my problem it is yours, but I am grateful you make your position know to others.



George you have little if any knowledge of the word, and you have even in this post misquoted me grossly and yet openly denyed the truth of the word of God, it doesn't go by you George it is just as Jesus has declared in his word, Faith is not works and the only one in opposition to the truth is Satan.



George he also knows the word that is why he masquerades as a angel of light,.



Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.



Ro 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.



This context is in total agreement with the parable of the sower, and what Jesus taught to the unbeliever/ believer.



Here is an example of out father by faith obeying the principles in the parable of the sower:



George Jesus accepted his actions that you say are not bible.



Romans 4:1 � What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9 � Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 � (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara�s womb:

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 � Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 � Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



By the way George saying with your mouth that you believe from the word of God in your heart, is how the law of faith operates.

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 12:39 PM

Hey Phil:



As the Holy Spirit has given to me,i have given to you.



I give you the WORD of GOD,

Concordance references

Lexicon definitions



The Word studies,both from Hebrew and Greek.

Also the interpertations



What do i get from you.



You just call me an unbeliever.

You say my understanding is not in line with the Scripture,That i had given to you.



You say I have to confess to be saved.





I believe this is all because,I happen to be saved by GRACE,BY the Grace of GOD Almighty Himself,and this my being in Yehsua.



Phil,I do believe that you are jealous,because I have been saved by Grace (Faith),and Not by Confessing (Works).



You tooo can be saved by Grace,trust Yeshua to save you from the Wrath of GOD against your sin(s).



Then you can CONFESS,Yeshua as your saviour.



I hope that you will be having a Blessed,safe,and COOL weekend.



Love you Phil



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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 02:21 PM

P.J. You made some pretty strong accusations against. Mr. Meanie. I think he's right. You may be just a tad jealous of him. :winksmile:

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:15 PM

Well Chevy accusations are not what it is, it is loving God and marking those that try to cause division with their false teaching.



Now Chevy i am fully aware of consequences of sin, and I agree with that truth, but I believe it is far more important to expose those that call the truth a lie.



If you want to go thru scripture one at a time we can, and not only that he quoted me more than once as saying things I did not say.



George boldly proclaims the gospel to not be true, where is the accusation in exposing the lies.

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:21 PM

P.J., I honestly haven't seen any lies. I love ya, brother.:glow:

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:29 PM

Did you do anything to come into the family of God?

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 03:46 PM

PJ, I can not help but laugh at your stubberness. i really did burst out .

Question for all of you. If God created us in his image and gave us dominion over the earth. Are we not higher than angels? We are given control of the earth. Takeing care of it.

This is a job we have not the angels. Our taking care of this earth is not worthy of a compliment.Otherwise, we have not done a good job.

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 06:41 PM

Stubbornness Dennis, is usually an action of one in denial, i am not the one in denial or confused or even diluted and thus trying to fill others with my unbelief.

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 06:44 PM

By the way George Phillip did not write the bible he just agrees with it, so that was pretty pathetic to say Phillip says I have to confess to be saved, it was Jesus that said that not Phillip, maybe it is because they sound so much alike, that you got confused.

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Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 07:46 PM

Hey Phil:



Phil says:



By the way George Phillip did not write the bible he just agrees with it, so that was pretty pathetic to say Phillip says I have to confess to be saved, it was Jesus that said that not Phillip, maybe it is because they sound so much alike, that you got confused.





POIC:

Phil,where is your evidence,show me your Biblical evidence that Yeshua has said what you are talking about.



I do know that Yeshua has said this:



"John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one".





I do not see any confessing going on here.

I do see that Yeshua 'GIVES' Eternal life.



Shalom

Mr.Meanie



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