does anyone know why Jesus called Himself as Star (in Revelation) and satan was also called as a star (falling star and his name is also star- Lucifer)?
�How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!� (Isa. 14:12)
During the descend of stan and his demons to the earth, it was seen as a falling star.
The meaning of the name Lucifer is 'Carrier of the light'.
�Lucifer� was meant to be a proper name for the devil. They translations all have to do with describing a form of light: �shining one,� �morning star,� �bright star,� �splendid star,� or �light bringer.�
Jesus said: "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Revelation 22:16
The name of Jesus -"Bright" star, because He is the brightness of His Father's glory, and so splendid, shining, and illustrious, that He is Light itself, and in Him is no darkness at all. And to a bright "morning" star, which shows the night is going off and the day is coming on, and is the phosphorus, or bringer of light. His coming to earth was the dayspring from on high, put an end to the night of mankind darkness. He showed the way to eternal life by Himself. He is going to usher us in such light into the new Jerusalem, as would make all other light unnecessary.
Jesus has not just a name 'star' like satan/Lucifer has it, but He is the Light Himself. He showes us the Light of His Father. The TRUE Light, the TRUE Star. The TRUE Light showing us the Way to His Father. Satan has just name 'star' and his life shows us the darkness. He is not a star. He is just a name....
We also should not be in-the-name-only christians, because in this case we will share the future of satan after the Judgment Day- the lake of fire.....
I am also a bit perplexed about Jesus and Satan sharing the same metaphor or adjectives when described in the Bible.
Lucifer is a Latin word that does not appear in the original text. It means bright shining one or the Latin name for the planet Venue, which is the morning star.
I think the metaphor when used for Jesus and Satan are meant to describe different things. As for Satan it describes the great height from which he has fallen and how he can masquerade as a angel of light. As to Jesus it describes the great height he is even though he humbled himself and became a man he is still higher than the angels. He is the true light of the world, the first born. Just as the morning star appears before sunrise so Jesus appeared the first time, the next time He comes will be as the sun rising!
Jesus' discipless are also called the light of the world: Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a close vessel, but on a candlestick: and it giveth light to all that are in the house.
This word for light literally means luminescence or rays of light. Therefore, we too are light bearers.
Here's an interesting note. In Hebrew people's names were also words in their language. My last name is also a Hebrew word that would have been used commonly in any sentence of a conversation. However, Westerners give names that are not common words in the English language. In English, no one ever says, "bring a lucifer in here so we can see better", but they would have in Hebrew. In this sense of the word all believers are lucifers. So I think Bahira makes an excellent point regarding it just being a name. However, we must remember that Satan could have been the first lucifer and this is why his rebellion was so great. For him it wasn't enough to bear the light he thought he could be the source of light.
I want to share with you my message I have sent to Muslims (name of Chuck is John).
Thank you Chuck for your input!!!
Brothers,
Do you know what is a star?
Stars are huge luminous balls of gas powered by nuclear reactions at their centers.
The enormously high temperatures and pressures in the core of a star force atoms of hydrogen to fuse together and become helium atoms, releasing tremendous amounts of energy which we see in the form of light.
Planets are much smaller with core temperatures and pressures too low for nuclear fusion to occur. Thus they emit no light of their own. When you see Venus or Jupiter in the night sky, you're really seeing sunlight reflected by those planets back to you.
The basic difference between a star and a planet is that a star emits light produced in its core by nuclear 'burning', whereas a planet only shines by reflected light.
Sun, the solar system's only star.
Does anyone know why Jesus called Himself as Star (in Revelation) and satan was also called as a star (his name is also star- Lucifer)?
The Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer."
� How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations! (Isa. 14:12)
Brothers, satan was cast down by God to the earth because he deceived one third of God�s army of angels/fighters and they confronted God. They wanted to reign in the universe like God. And they are living among us on our planet earth until the Judgment Day. So, if you want you can call these fallen angels/demons/jinns as aliens living among us. They not only live among us but they occupy bodies of unbelievers and dwell in them causing them sufferings and mental and physical deseases. Why? Because they know that when Ibn Allah will descend during His second coming to His earth created by Him then He is going to judge not only people but these fallen angels too. Why? Because they cause killings of people, rage wars, and found false religions and cults. By the way, Islam was founded by these angels. That�s why Islam kills you all Muslims! But some of you want to be killed�
The Holy Scripture calls satan as prince of this world-system.
Satan, who is called Lucifer, was once an angel of light, and he and his angels sometimes transform themselves into angels of light to deceive people and kill them pulling them down to the hell fire because thy know that during their Judgment Day they all will be cast down to the lake of fire. But God didn�t allow us to be deceived. He warned us that we should not believe to these demons:
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
God addressed to satan/Lucifer in this verse:
� You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
� You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
� By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
� Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
� You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.���
Ezekiel 28:12-19
So satan/Lucifer had a position of guardian angel in heaven and he was dealing with trade too. But what have been doing his fallen angels on earth? Let�s read about one of the facts listing their crimes:
Hi brothers,
I watched a Discovery film and they said that there are many African people raped and abused by angels in the night in Africa. That's why people are using magic things to protect themselves...Women report that they wake up in the morning in sperm on their back...
The fallen angels dare to commit sexual sins with people even today...Read about such sexual attacks recorded by BBC:
Sex attacks blamed on bat demon
Men in parts of Tanzania's main city, Dar es Salaam, are living in fear of a night-time sex attacker.
A BBC correspondent says the attacks are being blamed by some on a demon called "Popo Bawa" meaning winged bat.
Some men are staying awake or sleeping in groups outside their homes. Others are smearing themselves with pig's oil, believing this repels attacks.
Reports of the demon's existence have been common for many years in Zanzibar, where locals claim it originated.
The BBC's John Ngahyoma in Dar es Salaam says not many people actually believe that the demon exists and there have been no sightings.
But Mbaruku Ibrahim, who hails from Zanzibar, says the story of the demon is common there and people in his village on Pemba island sleep beside a huge fire outside their houses whenever it is said to appear.
The story goes that the bat is able to transform itself into a man at night and it has also been blamed for rapes of women.
Sheikh Yahya Hussein, a prominent astrologer in Tanzania, claims that the demon is a spirit that is unleashed by witches to torment their opponents.
Belief in witchcraft and superstitions is widespread in Tanzania, especially in rural areas.
Brothers, listen to what Ibn Allah said:
He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.�
Then the seventy (Jesus�disciples) returned with joy, saying, �Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.�
And He (Jesus) said to them,
�I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.� Luke 10:16-20
What does it mean? Jesus said that He saw the fall of satan from heaven to the earth. This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation in the human body on earth because Jesus existed always. He is God. He is immortal and eternal and He is the Creator of the universe.
To summarize, satan was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God.
So, during the descend of satan and his demons down to the earth, it was seen as a falling star.
�I (Jesus) saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
The meaning of the name Lucifer is 'Carrier of the light': �shining one,� �morning star,� �bright star,� �splendid star,� or �light bringer.�
God addressed to the chief of the fallen angels: �O Lucifer, son of the morning.�
But brothers is it the irony that "Lucifer" ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') refers to satan and that is the same title which is used for God Jesus!?
Jesus said: "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." Revelation 22:16
The name of Jesus -"Bright" star� because He is the brightness of His Father's glory, and so splendid, shining, and illustrious, that He is Light itself, and in Him is no darkness at all. And to a bright "morning" star, which shows the night is going off and the day is coming on, and is the phosphorus, or bringer of light. His First Coming to earth was the dayspring from on high, put an end to the night of mankind darkness. He/His Light showed the WAY to eternal life by Himself.
After we will move to the New World prepared by God for us, Ibn Allah is going to usher us in His light into the New Jerusalem/the Kingdom of Heaven, as would make all other light unnecessary! There will be no other light!
There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Revelation 22:5
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,
for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb (Jesus) is its light.
Revelation 21:23
Why are both Jesus and satan referred to as the morning star?
Jesus has not just a name 'star' like satan/Lucifer has it, but He is the Light Himself. He shows us the Light of His Father. He is the TRUE Light, the TRUE Star. The TRUE Light showing us the Way to His Father. Satan has just name 'star' and his life shows us the darkness. He is not a star. He is just a name....
Everything what satan produces is counterfeit�.just a name and the souls of people stolen from the hands of God�.
We also should not be in-the-name-only Christians, because in this case we will share the future of satan after the Judgment Day- the lake of fire.....
But even we brothers will be shining like stars:
..that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain. Philippians 2:15-16
Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12:3
Brothers, look how Jesus is looking like in His world:
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother,
led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
and He was transfigured before them.
His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Then Peter answered and said to Jesus,
�Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.�
While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
�This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!�
And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
But Jesus came and touched them and said, �Arise, and do not be afraid.�
When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
Now as they came down from the mountain,
Jesus commanded them, saying, �Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.�
And His disciples asked Him, saying, �Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?�
Jesus answered and said to them, �Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.�
Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.
Matthew 17:1-13
My Christian brother John said:
I am also a bit perplexed about Jesus and Satan sharing the same metaphor or adjectives when described in the Bible.
I think the metaphor when used for Jesus and Satan are meant to describe different things. As for Satan it describes the great height from which he has fallen and how he can masquerade as a angel of light. As to Jesus it describes the great height He is, even though He humbled Himself and became a Man, He is still higher than the angels. He is the true light of the world, the first born. Just as the morning star appears before sunrise so Jesus appeared the first time, the next time He comes will be as the sun rising!
The Trustworthy Prophetic Word
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
For He received from God the Father honor and glory
when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory:
�This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.�
And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:16-21
2 Peter 1:19 - 19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Good stuff there, Thunder. It got me thinking about the star that shone when Jesus was born and what it was and meant.
This site has some interesting info: scripturescholar.com
Why did the Magi (wise men) go to Jerusalem to worship a child king? The short answer is they observed Venus rise before sunrise as shown above and continue to rise after sunrise on August 24, 2 B.C.[2] Venus, called a wandering star by the ancients (Jude 1:13), fulfilled prophecies given by Jacob c. 1800 B.C and by Balaam c. 1400 B.C. The Magi explained why they came, �we observed his star at its rising� (Matt 2:2 all RSVCE unless noted). The image shows Venus rose just before dawn to mark a line of planets formed by Mercury, Mars and Jupiter.[3]
Why identify Venus as the Star of Bethlehem? Jesus called himself �the bright morning star� (Rev. 22:16). Venus is �the bright morning star�. How can the �bright morning star� be identified as Venus? First, Venus at its brightest is the brightest natural object in the sky after the sun and moon. It is the brightest object that can be called a star. Second, the ancients referred to exactly two planets as �morning stars�, they were called morning stars because they were normally only visible for a few hours before dawn.
But it was another star/object because this star mover before them!!!:
9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.
So, it was just a metaphor describing nature/essence of Jesus and His purpose and it names another person who is satan. This name was used to describe his fall too.
