You have the disciples prayer mixed up the prayers of Yeshua.
The prayer of Yeshua:
One of His prayers with the Father.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
The disciples prayer:
Luk 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
If you want i will break this prayer apart from Matthew 6
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Posted : 27 May, 2011 09:43 PM
I dont need you to! its all right there
Matthew 6:10-14 THIS THEN, IS HOW YOU SHOULD PRAY: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
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Posted : 27 May, 2011 09:49 PM
What I am saying, If you truly believe you can repent your sins 1 time! Then go back to living the ways of the world without seeking forgiveness. explain THIS prayer!
What I am saying, If you truly believe you can repent your sins 1 time! Then go back to living the ways of the world without seeking forgiveness. explain THIS prayer!
The lords prayer is what its called in google!
Do you trust google with the things of YHWH?
To understand The disciples pray,we need to understand that Yeshua was speaking with Hebrew men,which would have understood what Yeshua was saying in their own language.
Now let us look at this from Hebrew understanding.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Our Father:
The title or position of GOD as Father was,and still is foreign to Hebrews to this day.
Hebrews did not call or believe that YHWH called be addressed as Father.
Which art in heaven:
GOD,is not so much in heaven,as heaven is where GOD is.
The Hebrews understand there are the 'Heavens',not just heaven.
A better understanding is:
You who fill the Heavens.
Hallowed by thy name:
The writers of the Scriptures believed the name of GOD was sooo Holy,that it should not be spoken by anyone.
This is the reason they substituted the name of YHWH for Addonai.
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.
When the writers came upon the name YHWH while copying the Scriptures,they would wash thmselves.
They saw themselves as dirty,not being worthy of speaking or even writing His name.
Thy kingdom come:
This could be better understood as saying;
Your Kingship come.
It is about the reighn of YWHW,not just things of the Kingdom.
Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
We need to understand that whet is being done upon the earth,has already been done in the Heavens.
Remember;YHWH is outside of time,seeing,Past,Present,and Future all at on time.
He see and understands everything as having been completed,
For He understands and sees being,omnipotent,Omniscient,and Omnipresent.
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Give us this day,our daily bread.(Yehwah Yireh)
YWHW gives according to my needs,not my wants or desires.
Notice,we are to recognize our dependance upon YHWH to provide for us,
This says that we are beggars and ABBA is our generous benefactor.
Do we give to him thanks for this.
Forgive us our debts,as we forgive our debtors.
Better understanding:
Since we have already been forgiven,
We should be forgiving others.
When YHWH forgives us our sin(s),He removes them from His sight.
He also frees us from the enslaving power o the sin.
Can i/we actually remove sin from anyones life,NO.
We can be used of YHWH to helping others walk faithfully.
Forgiveness of my sins does not depend upon my forgiving others,
If this it does then what was the purpose of Yeshua being beaten,mocked,flogged and beaten beyond recognition,
Revelation 2:4-5 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent
Every scripture you have posted about the forgiving of sins forever, I wholeheartedly agree with the scripture brother... I just don't agree with your explanation of the Scripture.
The sins are there to be forgiven, they will be forgiven and are already forgiven.. but we must come for it!
We can backslide, and that is not my interpretation of scripture it plainly says it a bunch!
Jesus said to his disciples "if you love me, keep my commandments"
he also said the law can be summed up in to one commandment!
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have
loved you.
JOHN 15:9-12 (KJV)
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
I still have a Scriptural surprise which many a Christians will gnash their teeth at in rejection because is goes against what they have learned for a life time from the modern church.....hehehe.
