Thread: Hebrews Name switch? why ? AND Sabbath Rest
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Hebrews Name switch? why ? AND Sabbath Rest
Posted : 22 May, 2011 04:50 PM
Hebrews 4:8
King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
American King James Version
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day
Douay-Rheims Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.
Darby Bible Translation
For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.
Webster's Bible Translation
For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day
why did all these translations have this as JESUS when the name here is really YEHOSHUA?
would this mean that the Name JESUS should really be translated as YEHOSHUA which means YEHOVAH is salvation?
the one being talked about here is Yehoshua instead of JESUS so why did they get it wrong here?
Also Hebrews 4:9-11
New International Version
9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God�s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.
so does this mean we rest as ELOHIM rested? or are we always resting from work since YESHUA is our rest therefore if we rest as ELOHIM rested from work then we would rest always? when exactly do we rest as HE rested?
Hebrews 4:8 : I wouldn't get hung up on what language Jesus' name is in, but rather what it is saying: There is another day called today, if you hear his voice harden not your hearts.
Hebrews 4:9-11 ELOHIM is a name of God indicating 'plurality'. It is actually quite fascinating and exciting that it is used here.
To explain : Just about every commentary I know of says the first prophecy of Jesus occurs when God said the woman's seed will bruise the head of the serpent's seed. I think the first prophecy occurs much earlier at the end of creation when God rested from His work of creation. In the first six days we see everything pertaining to man and earth created so where did Jesus come from? Note the name of God used : ELOHIM = plurality. Jesus was in God, therefore Jesus could not be included in the first six days of creative work. Furthermore one must ask themselves is God like a man who must rest from his labor? So why did God rest? This is to bizarre a statement 'that God must rest' not to have special significance.or meaning!
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; He should know, He was there.
Even here on the 7th day after the beginning of creation, before the fall of man and probably angel we see God has a plan already in place.
'Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world', Jesus is our Sabbath rest!
I don't think the translation of the name is important. Even people who speak it in Hebrew can't agree on the pronunciation. Hebrews was written in Greek and in Greek the name is pronounced "yea-soos". I think its spelled something like Iesous (Strong's 2424). Anyway, the meaning of the name is still the same. And it is also worth noting that Jesus and Joshua had the same name and it was and still is not an uncommon Hebrew male name at all.
As for the Rest, I believe that when we become born from above we then entered His rest. The rest is eternal and not on any one day. Now, because Jesus is our Shabbott and we are in Him we are in His rest always and already. Eternal life does not begin when we die it begins when we are born from above and so does our eternal Shabbott in our Messiah.
I believe that if Christians knew and understood this they would chill out a little!! LOL :stop: But I have never heard it taught in any Christian church. :zzzz:
Let�s consider what is the Sabbath in Israel and why God commanded us to observe it.
Listen to one Jewish man icebro:
Hey everyone,,I was very excited today and was making plans and getting prepared to enter into Shabbat, into the FATHERS rest and I thought about you al. Today the FATHER has laid you on my heart to tell me that soon many will calling and that I really should focus more on getting my heart right and preparing for troubled times so that I can (we) can be a light to the world when things go bad, and I am absolutely sure this is on the way, it is almost unreal how the pieces are being set, and no I am not talking about this thing this weekend, but the FATHER is preparing us.
As I was going down the road today I saw someone outside washing the windows and for some reason I kinda went into a daydream and saw a time where all people would be out preparing today and getting ready to shut it all down and rest with MESSIAH and HIS FATHER,ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY,,,this made my heart jump for excitement
I want you all to know that I love you and on this day of rest I will be think and praying and talking to the FATHER about you, and I am going to thank MESSIAH for HIS blessing and SPIRIT and ask HIM to teach me how to be more like HIM everyday. Oh brothers and sisters I love this day!!
I have been looking forward to this all week and soon as it is over I look forward to it again, I love MESSIAH and I love HIS FATHER and I LOVE YOU.
I just wanted to say that as the sun is almost setting and I am about to cook for my Shabbat meal, this is not a post of question or anything I just wanted to tell you I love you and praise our wonderful beautiful FATHER in HEAVEN and HIS SON!!! AMEN
My sister said to this Jewish man:
I find that Christ is my rest, not Shabbat.
Brothers, what is the Shabbat and why Jews do not work during this day in Israel?
The Sabbath (or Shabbat, as it is called in Hebrew) is one of the least understood of all Jewish observances. People who do not observe Shabbat think of it as a day filled with stifling restrictions. But it is a precious gift from God. A gift which is a COMMAND. During this day Jews can set aside all of their weekday concerns and devote themselves to higher pursuits.
But Shabbat is also the most important ritual observance in Judaism. Yes, it became a ritual because people do not know the meaning of this day. It is the only observance instituted by God in the Ten Commandments. The word "Shabbat" comes from the root Shin-Bet-Tav, meaning to cease, to end, or to rest.
We are commanded to remember Shabbat; but remembering means much more than merely not forgetting to observe Shabbat. It also means to remember the significance of Shabbat, both as a commemoration of creation by God and as a commemoration of our freedom from slavery in Egypt.
Brothers, Shabbat is one of the ten Holy commands of God given to Moses. But do you Muslims observe this day? No. Does it mean that you violate God�s laws? YES. Islam violates what God commanded. Islam is a religion which do not worship God of Israel. This religion was created by angels/jinns. Why? Because Islam always contradicts to God�s words said before. Islam violates one of God�s commandment which reads: YOU SHALL NOT KILL. Because in over 60% of Qura�an Islamic allah calls Muslims to kill people. Now God commands to observe Shabbat and Muslims do not do it. But why should even Muslims observe this day we will know with you at the end of my message.
In Deuteronomy 5:15, while Moses reiterates the Ten Commandments, he notes the second thing that we must remember on Shabbat: "remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord, your God brought you forth from there with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day."
Now a question for you to ponder: Should Egyptians observe Shabbat? If they worship the same God of Jews?
During this day their fathers died in the sea when they were killed by God!
They and a pharaoh wanted to return Israelites to Egypt to be slaves!
God made Jews FREE.
Egyptians wanted to keep them as slaves.
God severely punished Egyptians by killing their children and animals.
Should be this God worshipped by Egyptians?
All Muslims claim to worship this God.
Ok, Muslims, then you SHOULD observe Shabbat!
If you do not do it, you are disobedient to God. You are sinning and finally by violation His laws you act against Him and the result of your lives will be the HELL FIRE. Remember it!
But again:
What did Jews have to do with resting on the seventh day?
It's all about freedom.
In ancient times, leisure was confined to certain classes, slaves did not get days off.
Thus, by resting on Shabbat, we are reminded that we are FREE. We are FREE because God Jesus made us FREE of our sins and slavery of sins. That�s why we are His children adopted by God!
Observe the Sabbath day to sanctify it. Deuteronomy 5:12
Why some of works were forbidden on Shabbat?
The Torah prohibits "melachah" (Mem-Lamed-Alef-Kaf-Hei), which is usually translated as "work," but does not mean precisely the same thing as the English word. Melachah generally refers to the kind of work that is creative, or that exercises control or dominion over your environment.
But all of Shabbat restrictions can be violated if necessary to save a life.
So, what is the purpose of Shabbat?
God said that we should be FREE of everything what separate us from Him. This day was a day of remembrance that NOTHING should separate us from God. We should be FREE. Thus, this day is just one of the symbols of God used to COMMAND us that we should be FREE through FAITH in Him if we need eternal life! If we His people! His Israel/the Church of God founded by Him! And ONLY God Jesus made us FREE of our sins by accepting all our sins to His HOLY body on the cross.
Those who follow rituals cannt satisfy God.
God COMMANDS you to be FREE!
You should be FREE of your slavery of sins!
You SHOULD abandon your sins.
Why?
Because God commands it!
Knowing that, we devote a day of a week to come closer to God to express our gratitude for His Salvation and Freedom through our FAITH in God Jesus- this is our Shabbat.
Ibn Allah took the sin of the world to lead us OUT OF the hell to His Kingdom!
He took our sins to His HOLY body to make us HOLY.
It is a day to worship God among brothers in Church. That�s why our Shabbat day we commemorate on Sunday or on every day when we remember what God Jesus died for us and we express our gratitude to Him.
A ritual without worship of God Jesus is nothing.
If you do not work and rest by being a slave of your sins (like thousands of Jews do it in Israel) and if you are not worshipping God Jesus, then when you are celebrating a FREEDOM, you are a slave and not free�..God COMMANDS you to be FREE! This Freedom is only possible through FAITH in His Son Jesus!
Summary: The Holy Scripture of our God always calls us to be holy and FREE of our sins. God not only calls us to be FREE, He commands it! All His words said through His prophets told us how to be reconciled with God and people. It's all about freedom. Should Egyptians and Arabs observe this day? Let�s say it so: God commands Egyptians to be FREE from their slavery of sins through their FAITH in Ibn Allah! God commands them to respect God and value this freedom which is a GIFT from God. God decided to FORGET your sins, and you should forget them and TURN from them to the HOLY God of Israel. If you will decide to stay in Egypt, then you will NEVER get to the Kingdom of God! Leave your Egypt- slavery of sins- and go together with Jews to the Promised Land- the Kingdom of Heaven! Brothers, remember, if you will disobey God and will not be FREE of your sins through your FAITH in God Jesus, then you will be put to DEATH during your Judgment Day because God�s righteousness and justice is going to JUDGE your crimes/sins you have ever committed. The escape from God�s WRATH is ONLY �Ibn Allah!
Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, �These are the words which the LORD has commanded you to do:
Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you,
a Sabbath of rest to the LORD.
Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death.
You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.�
Exodus 35:1-3
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch,
that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians.
And He took off their chariot wheels, so that they drove them with difficulty;
and the Egyptians said,
�Let us flee from the face of Israel, for the LORD fights for them against the Egyptians.�
