Thread: teaching a gospel of or about YESHUA (JESUS)
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teaching a gospel of or about YESHUA (JESUS)
Posted : 22 May, 2011 10:37 AM
What did YESHUA teach? was it go out and get people saved? Was it go out and peach the Kingdom?
Did YESHUA point to HIMSELF or the FATHER?
Is the message being preached today the message YESHUA taught which is through HIM you were bought,you repent,you enter the Kingdom,follow the FATHERS rules to live in the Kingdom,,i know we disagree about being obedient to the FATHER but who's rules will you follow in the Kingdom? Will there be no rules in the Kingdom
When did YESHUA tell us to go out and get folks saved? Is this our job to get people to repeat after me prayer then they can go out and have an everlasting ticket to the Kingdom no matter what they do,
surely you can do nothing to be saved for YESHUA has done that but then what now? what rules do we follow? If Scripture is SPIRT for the WORD is SPIRIT and was made flesh,then is following Scripture walking in a SPIRITUAL walk
when did YESHUA tell us to go out and make a counsel to tell us how to govern ourselves when HIS FATHER gave us rules before,,what if i can't keep the rules of the church,am i dead to JESUS
Why did YESHUA not get the Emissaries together and say here are the rules,or did HE,or were they already with them,in the FATHERS rules
Do you see a different in the message today? Is the message about JESUS or of HIS message HE preached
If the Emissaries had trouble with the way they should live,following the FATHERS laws or being set free from them,,why was there no mention of the result,,why would they never say we as Emissaries of YESHUA struggled with living the Torah and finally realized JESUS did away with it,now we are free,,why would Sha'ul not write about this when he wrote about his differences with everyone else,,Marcos, Kepha,Barnaba if Sha'ul did not have a problem with it
How many greek words for law are used in the haBrit haHadasha(New Covenant writings)
Is Sha'ul always talking about the Torah when HE says law,,were there other laws in those times,,,city,state,religious,moral
Brother, I know you prayed for me yesterday; I felt it. ( ...could be wrong, but I don't think so). Thank you, I shall sincerely return the favor.
Okay to the topic post:
I agree Jesus pointed to the Father, however Jesus accepted worship. This is important, very important! In the Bible : Who else but God rightfully accepts worship? If Jesus is Not God manifest and accepts worship how can he be Messiah? The Bible speaks of one who accepts worship and declares himself God, however this one is identified as the Anti-christ. I find it really cool that when Angels appear and men start to worship, the Angel emphatically declares 'Dont you dare!'
Okay, on to the Law:
In places it is extremely clear exactly what Law the New Testament is speaking of. For instance:
2 Cor 3:3-10 ".....not on tablets of stone....He has made us...ministers... of a new covenant --- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses.....will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory."
I think it is plain what Law is being referred to : tablets of stone given through a glorious veiled Moses!
Icebro one of the greatest gifts we acquire when we are born into the family we have been liberated to worship God in spirit and truth, if we will start there and walk it out we will walk in freedom, for we do not have to be write any more we are in relationship and fellowship we that is all truth.:angel:
Icebro, Is this post about keeping the feasts and other OT laws?
Icebro wrote - "What did YESHUA teach? was it go out and get people saved?" Was it go out and peach the Kingdom?"
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."
Christ preached a lot on repentance and to believe and be baptized. We have the same responsibility.
Icebro wrote - "Did YESHUA point to HIMSELF or the FATHER?"
Both. To do the Father's will and the fact that He was/is God.
Icebro wrote - "Is the message being preached today the message YESHUA taught which is through HIM you were bought,you repent,you enter the Kingdom,follow the FATHERS rules to live in the Kingdom,,i know we disagree about being obedient to the FATHER but who's rules will you follow in the Kingdom? Will there be no rules in the Kingdom"
I don't think there is disagreement about being obedient to the Father. The disagreement is which rules are to be obeyed [law, in your case?] and which rules Christ did away with [law] in order to be counted as Believers saved by Grace.
Icebro wrote - "When did YESHUA tell us to go out and get folks saved? Is this our job to get people to repeat after me prayer then they can go out and have an everlasting ticket to the Kingdom no matter what they do,"
We are to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It leads to repentance and salvation for some. No one says it's an everlasting ticket to the Kingdom no matter what they do.
Icebro wrote - "when did YESHUA tell us to go out and make a counsel to tell us how to govern ourselves when HIS FATHER gave us rules before,,what if i can't keep the rules of the church,am i dead to JESUS"
Christ taught us how to live as followers of Him. As for rules of the church, not sure what you're meaning, but we need to be held accountable and the Church is a good place for that.
Icebro wrote - "If the Emissaries had trouble with the way they should live,following the FATHERS laws or being set free from them,,why was there no mention of the result,,why would they never say we as Emissaries of YESHUA struggled with living the Torah and finally realized JESUS did away with it,now we are free,,why would Sha'ul not write about this when he wrote about his differences with everyone else,,Marcos, Kepha,Barnaba if Sha'ul did not have a problem with it"
Paul wrote that "no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith." He also wrote, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:" Christ came and redeemed man from the law. We are not justified by the law, it doesn't redeem us, so why would it be a command to keep something that has no redeeming power and essentially took the place of Christ until He came to set us free? I have no problem with those who wish to observe the feasts and OT law, but to be told that if one doesn't adhere to those things they are being disobedient to God, is not Scriptural. The just shall live by faith; the law is not of faith.
