Hi, I was having a Yahoo chat discussion today with some Jewish guy about Jesus, salvation and the scriptures in general, and he brought up the topic of Adam and Eve, claiming Adam actually rejected his first wife (or she wouldn't submit to him, or something). He told me her name was Lilith, but she is not mentioned in the bible (although there is apparently some use of the same word in Isaiah 34:14).
This flies in the face of what I believe (surely this would be recorded in the scriptures if it were true), but I would like to hear what other people think. I suppose the bigger issue is the reasoning for rejecting some of the other books found with the Dead Sea scrolls..... how was scripture differentiated from non-scripture? Is there mention of Lilith in the other (non-scripture) books? I have heard there are also some pretty strange things recorded in the book of Enoch.
I was hoping for wisdom from those who hold the scriptures as the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of God, as they claim to be (2 Tim 3:16)
The account of Lilith came about because of what some consider inconsistencies between Genesis 1 and 2 . In Gen. 1:27 God created man, male and female. Then in Gen 2:22, He makes Eve. I am of the belief that chapter 1 is an overview, and chapter 2 is a detailed account. There are Gnostic writings that talk of Lilith, but like the rest of their teachings, it is supposition.
I have heard of the accountings of Lilith. This account is not in the KJV but in other books outside of the Bible. I think you would stay safe reading the "inspired" word of God. I do think some of the other readings are interesting but you have to be careful or what you do or don't let in your heart. The devil likes to keep the mind confused.
These Jewish Rabbi's, or "men in authority over women" DETEST that Christ made women free and they are no longer under the "rule" of man.
They like so man so called "Christian" men try to keep women under law and subjection, what sad little minded men they are indeed.
Lilith is a character who appears in passing in the Talmud and in rabbinical folklore. She is a figure of evil, a female demon who seduces men and threatens babies and women in childbirth. She is described as having long hair and wings (Erub. 100b; Nid. 24b). It is said that she seizes men who sleep in a house alone, like a succubus (Shab. 151b). She is also mentioned in midrashim and kabbalistic works, in which she is considered to be the mother of demons.
They also say today;
In recent years, some women have tried to reinvent Lilith, turning her into a role model for women who do not accept male domination or a rival goddess to the traditions that they think are too male-biased. For example, a number of female musical artists participated a concert tour called "Lilith Fair" a few years ago, and the name "Lilith" was clearly chosen to represent female empowerment.
I come before your throne of mercy and grace asking you to bring peace to our dear sister HISWARRIOR, so that she can forgive the man or men who have caused this hatred in her heart.
Comfort her Father and lead her to a strong man of God who will show her the true meaning of your words, without taking advantage of her in any way. Let her see that being lead by a loving man is not a bad thing. Show her what you had in mind before man used it for his own devices.
This and many other blessings I ask in the precious name of Jesus, who died that we might live,
Adam is told not to eat the fruit of a specific tree from all of the many trees of the garden under penalty of death. It is interesting to note that the account does not tell us that Eve had been party to the command at all as most ASSUME today. In fact, according to the way the text is written, Adam was placed in the garden and given the command and LATER Eve was created for him.
So it appears that it was Adam who later told her of the command and clearly ADDED the words 'DON'T EVEN TOUCH IT' (if we want to get really technical about it, which I do). Where else would those words have come from, certainly she was not created with guile and was trying to deceive the serpent for something...she was IGNORANT! So where did the words come from? Adam MUST have told her 'don't even touch it'! As a result of the fall, woman is no longer a reciprocal mate but is in submission to her head TO LEAD HER OUT OF DECEPTION, even as we, the bride of Messiah, look to our head in OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS, so that he can lead us, HIS BRIDE, out of OUR deception.
So we see that the springboard from which Satan launched his attack against YHWH was based on a MISINTERPRETATION OF THE COMMAND. Any addition or deletion of the commands...combined with ignorance regarding the PURPOSE for the command, gives rise to potential disobedience as the result of JUDGEMENTS that are a necessary part of LIFE. JUDGEMENTS MUST BE BASED IN FULL TRUTH (truth is GOOD and deception is EVIL). All of this known by our Creator and given to us in this beautiful WITNESS from the foundation of the world.
I can almost envision the conversation between Satan and Eve. I can picture him, while in leisurely, casual conversation where she feels quite comfortable, he catches her off guard by playfully tossing the fruit into her lap. Satan is really QUITE A LIKEABLE AND PLEASANT CHARACTER when he desires to 'turn on the charm' for his SELFISH REASONS. She tries to fend off the unavoidable contact with a startled squeal; but of course the contact was made. I can imagine Eve looking surprised that the world did not come to an end at that very instant and THEN Satan says to her facetiously, 'See, I told you that you would not die if you touched it, trust me, I really love you but YHWH doesn't love you OR Adam. He merely wants SLAVES to do what he tells them. But if you eat the fruit, you will BECOME AS WE ARE and you will not be his slave anymore.' Of course what he did not tell her is that they would become his own slaves, slaves through disobedience.
Of course we know that she did eat, and she gave it to Adam who was with her when she finally succumbed to the temptation to eat it. I can picture her telling Adam what the serpent had said and trying to convince him...perhaps she convinced him to eat...but It seems discordant. I believe he was not convinced but she had been convinced and she foolishly took the plunge and ate...what would Adam do then? What could he do...a JUDGEMENT would have to be made? His heart told him love would share (as we shall see, this is the very PURPOSE for which we have been created). He knew he had to share her fate because he loved her and could not imagine being separated from her. In the same way, Messiah came to share our fate to LEAD US OUT of the deceptive world we entered on THAT DAY...learning good from evil over the course of His Story from the Villain.
This is exactly how the snake has worked in the affairs of men over the rest of the course of His Story. We have only enough truth so as to be deceived. YHWH does want us to know good and evil. He intended to show man his character through our disobedience done in IGNORANCE. You see, Satan tells us what sounds true and logical; he itches our ears while twisting the truth to tell us what we THINK we like to hear. Of course he does it in such a SMOOTH way that it's almost like talking to YOURSELF! Deceived by our own ignorant hearts...we have YHWH's loving spirit but we do not have TRUTH which is the knowledge of his character in contrast to the character of rebellion against his will.
In fact, knowing exactly how Satan works (the details of which are in the Book, just like those regarding the true Messiah, and which help us to identify or EXPOSE him so that we COME OUT OF THE WORLD DECEPTION WE HAVE BEEN UNDER SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD), I can picture Satan going FIRST to Adam (perhaps right after Eve was created and they were 'honeymooning') and saying something like: 'Adam, what YHWH means by 'death' as a penalty for disobedience is 'SEPERATION'. Think of it like you being APART from Eve and never being together again. It means you will no longer have ANY CONNECTION to one another. NO CONTACT whatsoever. Now you don't want THAT to happen do you?
Who knows, perhaps Adam even asked the creator about it one day. I can picture Adam saying "My Lover (I tend to think he called him something like 'Love' but it was in a purely understood language of the mind), is 'death' like being separated from Eve and never having her touch me again?" And I can picture YHWH saying, "Yes my love, I created you each to IMAGE ME in the perfect symbiotic relationship for which I purposed to create you and for which you ARE BEING CREATED (through the His Story of man written from the foundation of the world, man is still being perfected in love BASED IN TRUTH)."
So at some point Satan said: "Adam, listen to my advice, Eve doesn't know about the tree...if SHE eats it, she will be separated from you by death when YHWH finds out. Tell her about the command and put a fence around that by ADDING ANOTHER COMMAND just to be sure she doesn't accidentally eat the fruit. Tell her to NOT EVEN TOUCH THE FRUIT or she might 'die.'
ADAM WAS DECEIVED FIRST, not into breaking the command, but by adding to it in such a way (a false tradition/command) that the trap for disobedience had been set for HIMSELF as YHWH knew would happen and had PLANNED IN ADVANCE TO RECTIFY through REDEMPTION.
You see, Adam would have to make a tough choice...one that he was CREATED TO MAKE...the choice to share his fate with another even though it may cost him personally...he chose to become a SACRIFICE himself, if you will. The NATURE OF LOVE IS TO SHARE and sharing by its very nature is a sacrifice. Before man was even created it was the INTENT OF THE CREATOR TO DEMONSTRATE HIS NATURE AND HIS CHARACTER TO US SO THAT WE COULD CHOOSE HIM OVER OUR SELF; this is the nature of Love. He wants us to be willing to GIVE UP OUR LIVES for something we LOVE. Satan is the tool which is his exact opposite, false love...selfishness, all of this had to be learned through a TEMPORAL EXPERIENCE because rebellion is not in YHWH's eternal realm...it is only temporal. This is why the world was created in DARKNESS and the light had to ENTER IN!
Aside from that note of clarification regarding that event, the first thing we must consider is that Adam could not really comprehend the penalty of 'death.' What he could comprehend was the UNFAIR NATURE by which it appeared he would lose his perfectly reciprocal mate whom he LOVED AS HIMSELF. He had been DECEIVED and it appeared he would be cut off from his loved one's. Adam's nature was one of love like the father who LOVES US AS HIMSELF. We are to be his bride. Adam disobeyed because of IGNORANT LOVE...spirit without truth! The spirit was known by man but the TRUTH OF YHWH, HIS CHARACTER, NATURE, AND PLAN, WERE NOT KNOWN UNTIL PLAYED OUT FOR US IN THE BOOK; and through it's being 'played out' in His Story (which is a finished book, written from the foundation of the world). So, although Man is responsible for the fall, the promise of the seed of REDEMPTION is through the woman. Why? Because she is spiritually guiltless regarding ORIGINAL sin. She was never given the command by YHWH and did not yet know she had been created to TRUST her husband over the DECEIVER...good and evil, and the lines of authority from which we are to understand good from evil, were not yet DISTINGUISHABLE from one another. It had to be EXPERIENCED.
For this reason Man is responsible for the fall and redemptive salvation comes through the seed of the woman not under ORIGINAL sin, yet he is her Master as part of the 'Re-Established Contract', even as the Messiah is Man's master. The Messiah does not do what the bride commands but rather the bride must now obey him in relationship, diligently or she will not be led out of the deception we have been in since the foundation of the world.
YHWH knew that Adam would eat from the tree of 'choice' because he had to learn the NATURE AND CHARACTER OF YHWH AS OPPOSED TO REBELLION; good vs. evil. He could not understand the difference between the nature of 'good' vs. 'evil' unless evil is EXPOSED by GOOD and this is the very purpose of His Story written from the foundation of the world. This is the very purpose for which man was created. The stage where the ultimate drama of good triumphing over evil occurs in HIS STORY. Where the character, nature, and plan of YHWH (through Yahwshua) and his OPPOSING TOOL (Satan) are clearly portrayed with the entire universe being the LEARNING, PARTICIPATING AUDIENCE. How else can the creator reveal himself? He had to have a 'puppet stage' upon which to portray the drama from which all other LOVE STORIES are merely ante-typical themselves, to one degree or another. Yahwshua is the Puppet of YHWH whom we are to obey. Why do you think Satan has worked so hard to destroy the relationships between men and women with such a great barage of issues? He makes them BOTH bow to MONEY in a SELF IMPOSED slavery. A slavery whose chains right now seem to hang as lightly as silk. But that is all an illusion to get you ACCUSTOMED TO THE BEAST SYSTEM WE ALREADY LIVE IN! Why? So you will NEVER SEE your UTTER DEPENDENCE UPON, AND BONDAGE TO SATAN until it's TOO LATE!
Rebellion, headed by Satan, is the very means by which YHWH is making known the nature of his own character on the dramatic stage of human history. He is mirrored by his opposite. Satan is the tool by which 'good' can be contrasted and distinguished FROM evil. Even as the moon which has no light of its own, reflects the glory of the sun by opposing each other over the earth. When YHWH is finished with this tool, which will attract all the selfish, faithless ones who believe this life is its own reward, after their removal he will be left with the desired end product of creation...those who shrink not from persecution and death and in an attempt to emulate their understanding and obedience to the plan of creation, would sacrifice their lives for his love.
A good attorney (like our mediator the Messiah who also became the lamb to demonstrate the nature of the serpent who deceived us) would argue that, had Adam known what the incomprehensible penalty for breaking this seemingly inconsequential trifle of a command really entailed (spiritual life), he would never have broken it, that in fact his love for his bride overwhelmed any ability to understand the consequences of his behavior, he was INCOMPETENT on the grounds of the 'meeting of the minds' criteria for a binding contract.
If in fact the contractual parties could not really conceive this penalty of 'death' as being the agreed 'price' for exercising one's freedom to choose rebellion and what that entailed, and if it was always part of the plan to demonstrate the death of another tool...the Messiah in ante-typical fashion for the purpose of establishing the RELIABILITY OF THE PROMISOR who desires to CONTRACT WITH US as the PURPOSE FOR OUR EXISTENCE, we can see then that by demonstrating the concept of 'death' using a 'representative' if you will...a Lamb, sacrificed in the place of man so that man could understand the higher spiritual concepts in ante-typical flesh form, is the very courtroom drama that happened at the foundation of the world. The Messiah AND Satan were both ante-typically slaughtered from the foundation of the world so that when the time was right...they could each demonstrate their respective cases in the courtroom of human history. IT IS THE CONTROVERSY OVER ZION which has nothing to do with matter, except that matter is the ante-typical 'clay' which is being used to represent SPIRITUAL BEINGS. Matter is our chrysalis or womb and time the gestation period. The children of YHWH are about to be ripe and the harvest of the Earth will soon begin. And this was intended and promised from the VERY FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD...this is the GOSPEL!
Not only that we should understand the concept of 'death' vicariously (and as pointing to something greater than death as we now know is merely TEMPORAL), but more importantly, the concept of a future sacrifice that would satisfy the requirement for disobedience to help us understand the character and plan of the lover of our souls. You see, ADAM UNDERSTOOD LOVE. His love for Eve is the REASON WHY he willfully sinned. He could not bear to be torn from her. AND HE KNEW THE CREATOR WHO LOVED HIM AS HE LOVED HER, WOULD NOT WISH FOR THEM TO BE SEPERATED...HE KNEW HE HAD TO SHARE HER FATE and YHWH would still love him! He had FAITH in the AUTHOR AND CREATOR OF LOVE! YHWH of course KNEW what Adam would do because he was made in his image as a LOVER. He knew he would use that disobedience, done through loving ignorance, in which to demonstrate the JUSTICE of love which is based in TRUTH. YHWH is demonstrating not just his spirit of love in which we are created, but his character which is JUSTICE and is established in IMMUTABLE TRUTH. This is YHWH and he wishes for us to enter relationship with him. He has 'proposed' his eternal marriage contract to us, if you will, in the form of the Bible.
It is in this way that those who understand the promises of LOVE, enter into the 'ark' of faith, and who sacrifice their lives to YHWH in obedience to the plan as exemplified by the Promise of the Word made into flesh, which is truth. All of these things happened as ante-typical shadows of what had not yet been conceived in the mind of man. This is the Gospel! Isn't YHWH awesome!
YHWH knew we would disobey his commands even as Eve disobeyed Adams. Adam acting in ignorant LOVE (which is YHWH's Spirit without Truth which cannot be known APART FROM DECEPTION) rebelled against his creator in the IGNORANT spirit of love. Messiah has come to TEACH US WHAT LOVE LOOKS LIKE in the full revelation of TRUTH! If we are his bride, we will listen to HIS VOICE and come out of Satan�s Deception, and OBEY OUR HUSBAND! IN THIS WAY WE ARE ONE IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH WITH HIM, even as he is with the Father!
