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God of Jews and Arabs- Is He your God?
Posted : 19 May, 2011 11:43 PM
The Holy Scripture says in
Zechariah 14:9 about the Second Coming of God Jesus:
And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be�
� The LORD is one,�
And His name one.
Brothers,
Dr Muhammad Madian said the other day:
WHICH GOD THAT WILL BE THE FATHER OR THE SON?????
ONE ISSUE AND ONE ISSUE ONLY IS TO BE RESOLVED !!!!!
WHO IS THE TRUE GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE THAT DESERVES TO BE WORSHIPPED ???????
Brothers, that�s why let�s consider who is this God, who is worshipped by Christians and who was worshipped by our fathers, who were Jews.
Do you remember what we have studied before, God chose one group of people Ibrahim/Abraham and his family and revealed Himself to them.
Later descendants of one of his son Isaac- Jews- taught their Jewish people how to obey God�s laws and know Him.
Do you know that a prophet Moses, highly esteemed by you Muslims, was a Jew?
He spoke Hebrew and he taught Israelites how to live with this God who said that He is God of Israel. God openly said that He is God of Israel and everyone who touches His people, touches His Jewish eye. Let me remind you these verses:
It is a basic principle of our biblical faith that there is only one God. �Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is one!� (Deuteronomy 6:4).
In Ezekiel 44:1-3, it says; "Then He brought me back to the outer gate which faces toward the east, but it was shut. And the Lord said to me, This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter by it, because the Lord God of Israel has entered by it; therefore it shall be shut. "
Now see Ezekiel 43:1 "Afterward he brought me to the gate, the gate that faces toward the east. And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east".
God said to Israel:
Zechariah 2:8
For thus says the LORD of hosts: �He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.
So, what do we see here:
We see that God OPENLY said that He is God of Israel and He is going to protect His Jewish people. Where can we see it? Do you remember one of the God�s prophecies in Zechariah 14. Here God tells us that some states will gather together for the war against Israel and God of Israel, who is God of our father Ibrahim and Moses. God is going to dissolve their flesh upon His coming. He will descend from Heaven accompanied by the saints and angels and He LITERALLY will put His FEET in Jerusalem. Then God says that all nations, including nations of those who came to fight against Israel, will regularly, annually come to Jerusalem to worship God of Israel. Egypt will be among them. God addressed Egypt and warns him that if he will not come to worship God of Israel, then he will be punished. How Egypt, who will participate during this war, will be punished, please read in this chapter Zechariah 14. I will quote you just a few my favorite verses:
Behold, the day of the LORD is coming�
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem..
And the women ravished.
hen the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be�
� The LORD is one,�
And His name one.
And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts..
If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
So, brothers, what about Islam if Islam says that Muslims will fight against Israel and kill all Jews during this war? Islamic Jesus should be among Muslims.
Note, that revelations of an angel were gathered in the book called Al Qur�an many centuries after the existence of the HOLY Scripture which we regularly read with you.
They were revelations of an angel who claimed to be from God of Israel but all his revelations reject God�s words said by God. That�s why we, who were warned by God, know that angels can come to deceives us and they are demons/jinns/the fallen angels.
Those, who want to be deceived, are deceived. It happens daily in our lives.
Muhammad promises a painful punishment for Christians who believe in the Trinity:
5:73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
But why do we still insist that Muhammad was wrong?
Moreover, we insist and claim that Islamic allah has been deceiving Muslims, that�s why millions of Muslims are in hell and flow down there like oil to the flames of fire?
Note, Dr Madian, that you are among them now. And you, Mr Walid Ashour, are one of the candidates to meet Jesus and get to the prison called hell?
Why?
Your condemnation is ONE: you are unbelievers because you do not believe in God Jesus and His Father and your disbelief is the reason why your sins cry out to God telling Him everything what you have committed in your life. God is Omniscient and Omnipresent. It means He sees all your crimes and He knows that you need to get cleansed of your sins.
You do not need it?
Walid, weekly you drink the �holy� water from Zamzam well and you hope to be cleansed.
This water comes into you and out of you but you are the same...not changed...You didn�t become holy!
You bow down in Mecca and you hope that God hears you but He hates your IDOL WORSHIP in Mecca! Why? Because He never was in Islam! He is God of Israel who said that Muslims and Egypt will be defeated and He said that His feet will be put in Jerusalem upon His Coming to defend Jews! However, Walid, you prefer to listen to a LIE of angels.
You know your Islam. Better to say, you know what you think you need to know about Islam.
But today let�s listen to another God who is God of Israel.
This God COMMANDS you Walid and Mohammad to REPENT and TURN your hearts to Him!
Then He will cleanse you of your iniquities and wrongdoings. Then you will be HOLY. Then God�s LIGHT will enlighten your families.
Who is this God?
God is ONE and His name is ONE. But why we say that Jesus is God- the Son of God.
Because He is EQUAL to His Father. His nature/essence is God!
Was Jesus born from sex? No. Islam says no and the Holy Bible says no.
How is it possible that the Son of God existed and was born without sex?
Because He is NOT a human being but God Himself He could NOT be born from sex.
Jesus said that He existed before Abraham. Jesus claimed to be God who existed always before foundation of the world. That�s why He was killed on the cross.
How is it possible that Jesus could be God?
Jesus Himself explained it to us in His Holy Scripture. He said that He is the Word of God. Where can we see it? In Quran and the Holy Bible.
So, God was NEVER married and His Son was NOT born from any women because God is NOT a human being! How is it possible for God to have a Son? It is possible because God Himself explained us that His Son if His Word (in the Bible and Qur�an).
What does it mean Jesus is the Word of God?
My words are me. In Saudi Arabia they can judge me and my words against Islam will condemn me to death. By my words I can be justified and condemned because my words are ME. Are my words conceived by any man? No. My brain conceived my thoughts. Does my brain have sex in my head to produce my thoughts and words? No. My words are by-product/product of my brain activity and thus they are ME. That�s why God will open during the Judgment Day the books/sophisticated recording devices and we will be judged for every word we have ever said. Because our words are us. So, Jesus was the Son of God and the Word of God who never was born as a result of sex because He is God and equal to His Father.
You are an Indian and your son is an Indian but why you both belong to the ONE Indian nation? Why not to 5 nations???? Because you have ONE nature/origin/features/essence. That�s why God is ONE. He is tri-united. That�s why we say: God is ONE. He is God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit.
It is quite reasonable. So Madian you are an Arab and your son is an Arab. There are millions of Arabs but nation is still ONE. Why you do not call your Arab nation as NATIONS? In plural?
The answer is because Arab nation is ONE. But you are millions who belong to this group of people. The same way God like an Arab nation is ONE and He are THREE Personalities united by the common origin/essence/divine nature!
What then does it mean that God exists as the Trinity?
Better to say, God is acting in UNITY! In Tri-UNITY.
Brothers, God created us in His Image.
In the HOLY Taurat we read, �In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth� (Genesis 1:1). Elohim, the Hebrew name for God in this verse, is plural.
Why in plural?
Why Islamic allah also calls himself in plural on the pages of Qur�an?
I know the answer: Islam is a counterfeit.
But now we talk not about Islamic allah but about Allah of Israel, if you remember.
This Jewish word Elohim was used here in plural. It definitely points to more than one Person in the Godhead. There was no other logical reason to choose a plural name. As such, we are not surprised, then, to hear Him say a short time later, �Let us make man in our image� (Genesis 1:26).
One of the Jesus� disciples, John reiterates this truth when, speaking of Jesus, he declares, �Through him (Jesus) all things were made;
without him nothing was made that has been made� (John 1:3).
Clearly, Jesus was present and involved in the act of creation, because God said about Himself in plural, as we already know it, Genesis 1:1 says that �God created the heavens and the earth.� Note again: God in plural.
So, God has revealed Himself in the Bible to be One God in three Persons � Father, Son (Jesus al-Masih Himself), and Holy Spirit. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one in essence, and in their plan of salvation for mankind. This is the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, about which you Dr Madian asked.
Brothers, do you remember what I said before that some of sea creatures f do not need a male or female creatures or procreation. Why? Because God created them so. Some of creatures do not need sex to procreate themselves. The child Jesus was born not as a result of sex, says the Holy Bible and Qur�an! Brothers, cancer and stem cells are multiplied without any sex too!
Is it possible Dr Madian?
You, a Doctor, know that YES.
Now Muhammad, there is NO NEED to question if God is almighty or not because we know that He is. He- the Almighty God- explained us that His Son created the universe.
My brother Sazie Johnson explained it:
The word �Beget� has two different meanings: (1) to procreate as a father � this is caused by way of sexual intercourse. This kind of reproduction requires a male and a female. Science calls any reproduction that requires a male sexual organ and a sexual female organs �sexual reproduction�.
Talk to Dr. Muhammad Madian, a Muslim doctor in this forum. He will know; and perhaps tell you more about sexual reproduction.
However, there is another kind of reproduction that does not require a male or a female sexual organ. Science calls this kind of reproduction �asexual reproduction�. In �asexual reproduction� organisms or living things such as plants, animals, bacterium, and virus do not have sexual organs, and therefore; they cannot have sexual intercourse. But they reproduce themselves simply by dividing or splitting themselves.
Again, talk to Dr. Muhammad Madian, a Muslim doctor in this forum. He will know; and perhaps tell you more about asexual reproduction.
Now that you have the two different meanings for the word �Beget�, (1) to reproduce by way of sexual intercourse, and (2) to extend oneself as an outgrowth (splitting or dividing), which one do you say will make you happy a Muslim if the Christians adapt it as to explain Jesus Christ, Son of God?
Choose one of the two different meanings and force it on Christians in order to make you a saved and a very happy Muslim. That is your right as a human being. But what you do not have the right to is to deny the fact that the word �Beget� has two different meanings: (1) to reproduce sexually (with sexual organs), and (2) to reproduce asexually (without sexual organs).
When we say Jesus is �begotten of God�, we mean God extended Himself into a Human Being. Science tells us it is possible to extend oneself into another without sexual intercourse. Organisms do it continuously.
And oh, one more thing: There is no such thing as God and Jesus. There is such thing as the Father, the Word, and the Spirit; but no God and Jesus. Why? �Because when we say �God�, we mean all three (Father, Word, and Spirit) combined just as when we say, �Atom� we mean the protons, the neutrons, and the electrons combined. All three combined together is �Atom� � no Atom and electrons. All three combined together is �God� � no God and Jesus.
To say �God and Jesus� is to add partner to God � something no Christian will do. To say Atom and electron is stupid, because it is adding partner to the Atom. The electron is already in the Atom. Jesus, the Word of God, is already in that which we called God.
Only in Islam is there such a thing as �God and Jesus� � not so in Christianity.
So, brothers, what does the Holy Scripture teach us?
It teaches that God exists in three persons who share the same essence or being. What this means is that God exists in the distinct and co-equal persons of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but they share a fully divine essence or being, such as uncreatedness, eternality, unchangeableness, omniscience (all wise and knowing), omnipotence (all powerful), goodness, mercy, holiness, will and freedom, LOVE and JUSTICE and so on.
Brothers, from the beginning to the end of the Holy Scripture -the Old Testament- the word Elohim (in plural) was used thousands of times for �God�. The word Adonai is used hundreds of times for �Lord� in Hebrew. God refers to Himself as �Us,� �Our,� and �We� (Genesis 1:26, 2:18, 3:22, 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, and 41:21-24). The Old Testament says of God, �they caused me to wander� (Genesis 20:13), �they appeared� (Genesis 35:7), �they drew nigh� (Deuteronomy 4:7), �they went� (2 Samuel 7:23), and �they judge� (Psalm 58:11) � (the words in the Hebrew text are in the plural "gods that judge"). In Hebrew the Old Testament calls God our �Creators� (Ecclesiastes 12:1), �Makers� and �Husbands� (Job 35:10; Psalm 149:2; Isaiah 54:5).
The Old Testament says that God is �holy� (Joshua 24:19; Proverbs 9:10, 30:3), another plural in Hebrew!
Brothers, we clearly see in the Holy Scripture that God speaks to or about another Person who is identified as God or Lord (Psalm 2, 110:1, Isaiah 13:17-19; Hosea 1:7; Amos 4:10-11; Jeremiah 50:40; Malachi 3:1; Micah 5:2; Zechariah 2:8-11, 12:10, 13:7)�
Note a few important cases:
There are many passages which mention all three Persons together, assigning to each a role in the divine works of creation, providence, and redemption. For example:
1) Genesis 1:1-3 mentions God creating all things by His Word and Spirit
2) The prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 42:1 speaks of God, His Servant/Chosen One, and His Spirit, by which He will bring justice or righteousness to the world. This Servant is His Son Jesus who came to our earth as a Servant to fulfill the will of the Father and take the sin of the world to His HOLY body to make us free of our sins. He is Jesus.
�Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,
My Elect One in whom My soul delights!
I have put My Spirit upon Him;
He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
3) Isaiah 48:12-16 says about the First and the Last, i.e. the eternal God who created the earth. God loves Him. He was sent by the Lord God and the Holy Spirit/His Spirit. Who is He the Creator of the universe? He is Jesus:
� Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
� All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
� Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.�
4) In Isaiah 61:1, the Person who is sent with the Good News, i.e. the Gospel, says that the LORD has anointed Him with His Holy Spirit, who is upon Him. Who is this Person? God Jesus!
5) Isaiah 63 tells of the LORD, the Angel (Lit. in Hebrew Messenger) of His Presence, and the Holy Spirit bringing about salvation: Who is this Angel/Messenger? God Jesus!
Brothers, some of you remember that we have considered some of these chapters of the Holy Scripture before and today we will consider another one speaking about the Second coming of God Jesus.
For thus says the LORD of hosts:
�He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you;
for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.
For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
�Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion!
For behold,
I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,� says the LORD.
�Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day,
and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.
Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!
Now we will read the context and hear the word of this God Jesus.
Today we have a chance to listen to His words and the plans of this God toward Jerusalem and Israel and YOU.
Thus, you Dr Madian have heard about this Allah and His name is Jesus.
You heard His words said personally to you and you know that He loves you and calls you to Inherit His Kingdom and to get forgiveness of all your sins because He died instead of YOU!
There will be no apology, Dr Madian, Mr Ashour and you, my dear Arab brothers, during your Judgment Day, because you KNOW now God Jesus and, rejecting Him you reject His Father who is God!
"To all who received him (Jesus), to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God � children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband�s will, but born of God." (John 1:12-13)
"You did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God�s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs � heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." (Rom 8:15-17).
Let's read the context and the words of Holy God Jesus:
Zechariah 2
Vision of the Measuring Line
1 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and behold, a man with a measuring line in his hand. 2 So I said, �Where are you going?�
And he said to me, �To measure Jerusalem, to see what is its width and what is its length.�
3 And there was the angel who talked with me, going out; and another angel was coming out to meet him, 4 who said to him, �Run, speak to this young man, saying: �Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls, because of the multitude of men and livestock in it. 5 For I,� says the LORD, �will be a wall of fire all around her, and I will be the glory in her midst.��
Future Joy of Zion and Many Nations
6 �Up, up! Flee from the land of the north,� says the LORD; �for I have spread you abroad like the four winds of heaven,� says the LORD. 7 �Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.�
8 For thus says the LORD of hosts: �He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye. 9 For surely I will shake My hand against them, and they shall become spoil for their servants. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
10 �Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst,� says the LORD. 11 �Many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you. 12 And the LORD will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the Holy Land, and will again choose Jerusalem. 13 Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD, for He is aroused from His holy habitation!�
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