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Moses and the Pharisees
Posted : 19 May, 2011 08:51 AM

Hey everyone:



What is the understanding of this Scripture.



Matthew 23:1-2



1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,

2 �The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses� seat,

3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you�but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice



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Moses and the Pharisees
Posted : 19 May, 2011 09:38 AM

I had forgoten to write this down.



There is a different Scripture rendering of this in the Hebrew

language.

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Moses and the Pharisees
Posted : 19 May, 2011 02:55 PM

Hebrew? You mean Greek don't you?

What it means is; don't be a hypocrite even though your leaders are.

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Moses and the Pharisees
Posted : 19 May, 2011 07:44 PM

Hey sparrow:



I beieve that in the Hebrew Scriptures of this verse,we are told to be doing as Moses says,not the Pharisees.



Remember they sit in Moses seat.



And yes,we are called to not be as those that are like our politicianor those over us,that tell us to do things that they themselves will not be doing.



This also goes for the body as well.



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Moses and the Pharisees
Posted : 20 May, 2011 08:17 AM

a friend of mine named Nehemiah Godon worked on these manuscripts,,there is also a teaching on this called "The Raiders of Lost Book by Michael Rood ,,they are called the Shem Tov texts and they are written in Hebrew before there was a greek copy of Mattithyahu there was Hebrew



yes it does change the pronoun in the english version to read "they sit in the seat of Mosheh so do as THEY say but not as they do,for they say but but do not do" that is paraphrased



the older Hebrew Shem Tov says "they sit in the seat of Mosheh so therefore do as HE does for they say but do not do" this changes things very much



THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO SEE WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY HERE ,,,IS THAT LAW IS NOT BAD,,IT US WHO CAN'T FOLLOW IT PERFECTLY IN ORDER TO BE CLEAN AND HAVE SALVATION FROM IT,,IF ADAM WOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THE TORAH IN THE GARDEN (REMEMBER TORAH MEANS INSTRUCTIONS SO THEY HAD TORAH THEN TOO,SINCE THE BEGINNING OF CREATION WE HAVE HAD TORAH,CREATION ITSELF HAS TORAH ,, IT LISTENS THOUGH AND DOES WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO AND DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL,,WE DO AND WE BREAK HIS COMMANDS,,THAT IS WHY WE NEED MESSIAH) BUT IF ADAM HAD NOT BROKEN THE TORAH IN THE GARDEN AND WE NEVER BROKE THE TORAH OF GOD THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE GONE ASTRAY TO NEED A MESSIAH ,,,BUT WE ARE AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION,,,I AM TOO,,,I WAS, I AM , I WILL BE,,,SO UNDERSTAND THAT KEEPING TORAH IS MUCH MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE LAW EVERYBODY HARPS ON,,IT'S TO BE WRITTEN IN YOUR HEART AND THIS IS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IT STATES THIS IN THE TORAH ITSELF AND IN YEHOSHUA 22:5,IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE LONGING OF THE FATHER FOR US TO JUST OBEY HIM AND NOT MAKE UP OUR OWN WAY OF WORSHIPPING HIM,,THAT IS WHY HE TELLS US BEFORE GOING INTO THE LAND,,DO NOT LEARN THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN DO NOT DO TO ME WHAT THEY DO I DON'T LIKE IT!!! THE LAW IS NOT BAD AND MESSIAH DID NOT PREACH AGAINST IT AT ALL,,HE WAS FOR IT,,DO AS MOSHEH DOES HE WAS A RIGHTEOUS MAN,,,AND SEE MOSHEH COULD NOT ENTER THE LAND,,A RIGHTEOUS MAN BUT NOT RIGHTEOUS ENOUGH NOT TO SIN,,WE ALL SIN WE ALL FALL SHORT BUT THIS GIVES US NO REASON TO CONTINUE TO BE LAWLESS,,AS 1 YOHANAN 3:4 STATES SIN IS LAWLESSNESS,,,THE TORAH ,THE LAW, THESE ARE NOT HARD BURDENS THEY ARE MEANT TO KEEP US HONEST TO ONE ANOTHER AND NOT TO MAKE US ROBOTS,,I SEE THE FREEDOM IN MESSIAH SO MUCH MORE FROM LIVING TORAH OBSERVANT,,IT MAKES ME SEE EVERYDAY WHEN I VIOLATE THE LAW THAT I NEED HIM,,A CONSTANT REMINDER,,AND IT LETS ME SEE THAT I HAVE TO STIRVE TO BE THE BEST I CAN BE,,NO I AM NOT STRIVING FOR SALVATION,,I LOVE MY FATHER AND HIS SON AND THE COMFORTING SPIRIT THEY HAVE GIVEN ME,,AND I JUST WANT TO OBEY THE FATHER I WANT TO BE OBEDIENT NOT BECAUSE LAW TELLS ME OR JEWS TELL ME OR PREACHERS TELL ME BUT BECAUSE I LOVE HIM I WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDS,,,WE HAVE HEARD THAT BEFORE RIGHT "IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDS" I LOVE YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS







i posted this not too long ago there is another verse that is not in the older Hebrew Shem Tov as well and i posted about it too,,,it is Mattithyahu 28:19

the Shem Tov does not say "immersing them in the Name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the SET-apart SPIRIT"

THIS WAS ADDED TO BUILD A TRINITY DOCTRINE

if you look at Ma'asei (Acts) 8:16 you see that the emissaries did not immerse people in the Name of the FATHER,SON AND THE SET-APART SPIRIT ???? ONLY IN THE NAME OF MESSIAH so if they were really told in Mattithyahu( which they were not) to immerse in the FATHER SON SET-APART SPIRIT then they had a memory failure very quickly cause they left those parts out here,,not too long after MESSIAH



bless you and watch to the east,,they are taking over the golan heights now as we speak,this is going to be an interesting Feast year,read the syria daily



i pray you have ears to hear and eyes to see

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