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what does Sha'ul mean by unclean?
Posted : 17 May, 2011 06:53 PM

Sha'ul tells the people at ephesus in 5:3



But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;



the word used here uncleanness is from the root word akathartos which means:

1) not cleansed, unclean

a) in a ceremonial sense: that which must be abstained from according to the levitical law

b) in a moral sense: unclean in thought and life



LET IT NOT BE NAMED AMONG YOU TO BE UNCLEAN ACCORDING TO TORAH?



and in 5:5



For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.



here is the same word unclean person?? and this time that person will not enter the Kingdom of MESSIAH and of YHWH ?



this is the same word that Kepha (Peter) used when he was explaining the vision he had and how he reacted by saying

Acts 11:8

8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.



the same word here meaning nothing unclean according to Torah have i ever eaten,,and i submit to you that Kepha never did eat any common or unclean thing,,for this vision was about the gentiles but that is not the point here,if you wish to talk about this post a separate topic about it



what does this mean to you who think there is no use for cleanness according to Torah?

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Posted : 17 May, 2011 11:17 PM

Wow! It is amazing you think you can wash yourself.

*shaking head* in sadness for you.

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 07:44 AM

??? I have said nothing about washing myself???

you can live a clean life according to Torah and still follow and love MESSIAH as fact you will be living the way HE lived,,,brother i am sorry but i really don't care if you shake your head,stomp your feet or ask your doctrine church to pray for me, what i do care about is MESSIAH and what HE thinks,,so shake it all you want but you can't give me anything else but that ???? come on man??? see that is what happens, you post questions that challenge doctrine and the comfort zone of here say this pray and heres your ticket now you can run wild,,and this is what you get,,,i'm shaking my head hahahahaha shake it all you want brother



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Posted : 18 May, 2011 08:16 AM

"you can live a clean life according to Torah"

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Then Jesus came for nothing and you don't need Him.

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 12:36 PM

Icebro



Pay no attention to what others say ignorance is rampant!

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 12:36 PM

Icebro



Pay no attention to what others say ignorance is rampant!

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 12:41 PM

twosparrows



why are you so antagonistic to what icebro has to say? your attitude is indicative of the message he was trying to articulate, but your sarcasm reeks of disdain for a fellow brother in Christ, and is only a barren fig tree that will never produce anything but stems



Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in superstition and humility, and not sparing the body; not in any honour to the filling of the flesh.

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 01:17 PM

MESSIAH came to break the debit record of Torah and take away the sins,,,but we can still strive to live clean by example eating,letting land rest,celebrating Feast,how we treat our brothers and sisters , Shabbat, coveting ,adultery , abstaining from blood ,idols, things that are strangled, w-horing, all these things help us to live in the house that YHWH makes,,they in no way save you that is done by MESSIAH but you can still strive to live as HE did,,because HE takes sin away is not a reason to sin,,and what is sin again according to Scripture



1 John 3:4



New International Version (�1984)

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.



New Living Translation (�2007)

Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.



English Standard Version (�2001)

Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.



New American Standard Bible (�1995)

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.



International Standard Version (�2008)

Everyone who keeps living in sin also practices disobedience. In fact, sin is disobedience.



GOD'S WORD� Translation (�1995)

Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.



King James Bible

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



American King James Version

Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



American Standard Version

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.



Bible in Basic English

Everyone who is a sinner goes against the law, for sin is going against the law.



Douay-Rheims Bible

Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity.



Darby Bible Translation

Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.



English Revised Version

Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.



Webster's Bible Translation

Whoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.



Weymouth New Testament

Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.



World English Bible

Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.



Young's Literal Translation

Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 03:54 PM

Lifeseed,

You speak without full knowledge as one who jumps in the middle and thinks he knows beginning and end. Icebro has been posting for quite awhile, I have been here; where have you been? From reading the collective posts of icebro over time I put him just a fore-skin away from being a Judaizer.

As for you; you seem to be flying in stealth mode; we will have to wait for you to post something of substance to reveal if you too wish to put us back under the Law and tell Jesus, "Thanks for the forgiveness, I'll take it from here"

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 03:59 PM

Icebro,

Tell you what, you live like Moses if you like, but don't condemn me and others for wanting to live like Abraham.

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Posted : 18 May, 2011 04:15 PM

READ WHAT I WROTE TWO CAN YOU READ ???? I WONDER SOMETIMES,,THIS IS WHY THESE ARE POINTLESS,,,I JUST SAID UP TOP HERE THAT YOU WILL LIVE LIKE MESSIAH THAT IS WHO YOU SHOULD LIVE LIKE!!!!!!!!!! REALLY COME ON AT LEAST READ WHAT I WRITE COME ON

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