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The Trinity explained by Sazie Johnson- Is God ONE?
Posted : 13 May, 2011 09:20 AM
But HOW can God be ONE in Christianity?
Here is an answer to this question given by my brother Sazie Johnson:
One Muslim living in New York struggles with understanding the Holy Trinity.
He asked: �Is there a tree in one?�
My respond: Thank you for the question. First let me say there are many things that are a �Three in one�. Time is a �three in one�. It expresses itself in (1) past, (2) presence, and (3) future. Matter is a �three in one.� Matter embodies (1) solid, (2) liquid, and (3) gas. Atom is a �three in one�. It consists of (1) protons, (2) electrons, and (3) neutrons. In fact he United States Government is an example of a �three in one�. In a remote sense, the United States Government is a perfect example of the Holy Trinity. It is a one government that has within itself three separate and distinct branches of government: (1) Executive Branch of Government, (2) Legislature Branch of Government, and (3) Judicial Branch of Government.
These three separate and distinct branches of government have one source of influence: the United States Constitution which gives each branch the right to exist and to be active within the United States Government as an equal but separate influence (power) from the other two branches of government.
In other words, President Obama who is head of the Executive Branch of the United States Government has absolutely no power within both the Legislature Branch of the United States Government and the Judicial Branch of the United States Government. Outside of the United States President Obama has a large influence simply because he is the head of the United States� Branch of Government that deals with the relationship between the United States and other countries of the world. But within the United States boarders President Obama has little power � so little is his power that you almost feel sorry for him. His power is only over the people who serve within the Executive Branch of United States Government � the people who enforce the Laws of the United States.
Two months ago I was driving my car on a United States highway. I was speeding. It is against the Laws to drive over the speed limit in certain areas of the United States highways and streets. There are many signs posted on the highway and streets that warn people not to drive over the speed limit in these areas. I saw the signs and I ignored them, because I was in a hurry to get somewhere. A police car drove up behind me and stopped me. The police officer told me that I was breaking the law by speeding on the highway. I apologized and told him that I was in a hurry to get somewhere. He told me to wait in my car. He went back to his police car and brought me a ticket (paper) that cost me $175.00. He told me to take the paper to the courthouse, and to see a judge.
At that point the trinity of the United States Government was at work in my life. The warning signs posted on the highways not to speed came from a separate government within the United States called the �Legislature Branch of Government�. The police who stopped me work for a separate government within the United States Government called the �Executive Branch of Government�. The judge, who I was to go and stand before, works within a separate government within the United States Government called the �Judicial Branch of Government�. While these three separate and distinct branches of government affect my daily life in the United States, no one branch has more power than the other. Every day in the United States it is a political battle as each of these three separate governments continuously checks on the other so that one cannot assume more power than the other.
God and the United States Government have one thing in common � each is a spirit and each exists only in the spirit world. You cannot see God, and you cannot see the United States Government. You cannot touch them either. But you know they do exist because they affect your daily life if you do not obey them within their spheres of influence.
Note: The United States Government is a spirit because it only exists on paper and in the minds of men and women. Similarly God is a Spirit and lives in the minds and hearts of men and women. Demons are also spirits who lives in the spirit world. Jesus encountered a demon who could have spoken as trinity. Jesus asked the demon, �What is your name?� The demon answered, �My name is Legion, because we are many.� (Matthew 5:9) The demon spoke as one who has plurality within himself. Only in the spirit world can a �three or more become a one�.
Question: �In terms of the trinity how are God and the United States Government similar in the lives of men and women?�
Answer: First we must understand that both God and the United States Government are a �one spirit entity� with plurality within themselves. It is God the father who said, �Thou shall not steal� just as it is the Legislature Branch of the United States Government that said, �Do not speed on the highways.� It is God the Holy Spirit who reminds us of our wrongs against God just as it is the Executive Branch of the United States Government (police, law enforcer) who stopped me and told me that I was breaking the law by speeding. It is God the Word/Son who cleans us of my wrongs against God just as it is the Judicial Branch of the Unites States Government that sets me free from speeding on the highways.
Not many American citizens know that their government is a trinity, but each American citizen knows exactly where to go to clear up his crimes against the United States Government. He does not go the Executive Branch of the United States Government; and he does not go to the Legislature Branch of the United States Government. He goes straight to the Judicial Branch of the Unites States Government and stand before a judge in order to clear up his crimes against the United States Government. And when a judge within the Judicial Branch of the Unites States Government sets him free, he is free indeed. In the same way not too many Christians understand the Holy Trinity. But each Christian knows exactly where to go when he has sinned against God. He does not go to the God the Father, and he does not go to God the Holy Spirit. He goes straight to the Cross (God the Word/Son) who cleans him of his wrongs against God. And when God the Word/Son sets him free, he is free indeed.
Today in the United States we go to court, and we stand silently and humbly before a judge in order to hear the outcome of our crime against the Unites States Government. The day will come when we will go to court, and we will stand silently and humbly before a Judge in order to hear the outcome of our sins. At that time the Son of God will be the Judicial Wing of the Holy Trinity. He will be your Judge. Right now He is your Savior.
�If you confess with your mouth, �Jesus is Lord,� and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.�
The Trinity explained by Sazie Johnson- Is God ONE?
Posted : 13 May, 2011 09:48 AM
Brothers hi,
God is ONE. How it is possible? The Old Testament does reveal the Christian concept of the Godhead, with God being one God, consisting of three Persons. How can God simultaneously exist as both singular and plural? The Holy Picture says it!
In Genesis we can see that there is the Holy Spirit and God was called in Hebrew in plural form- Elohim! Let�s consider it!
�Trinity�or in other words TRI-UNITY is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God�three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. How is it possible? Yes, it is possible because God is NOT a human being. He is the Supreme Being. Even Arab nation is one but you Muhammad is an Arab and your son will be an Arab and your father is also son of an Arab man. But the Arab nation is ONE. Because you all are united by common features and origin. There is no such word �trinity� in the Bible but there is the concept represented by the word �Trinity�in Scripture. The following is what God�s Word says about the Trinity:
1) There is one God.
2) The Trinity consists of three Persons . In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun �Elohim� is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for �us� is used. The word �Elohim� and the pronoun �us� are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. The Hebrew word for �God,� �Elohim,� definitely allows for the Trinity.
The Hebrew word translated "God" is the word El or Elohim. Elohim is the plural form of El. The plural form is used 2607 of the 2845 times the word "God" is used in the Old Testament. Not only is the word for God usually used in the plural form, but several verses refer to God as "Us":
� Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." (Genesis 1:26)
� Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-- (Genesis 3:22)
� "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." (Genesis 11:7)
� Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me!" (Isaiah 6:8)
Not only is the plurality of God found in the Old Testament, but the members of the triunity are also defined. Several Old Testament verses tell us that God is our Father:
� "Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6)
� "He will cry to Me, 'Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.' (Psalm 89:26)
� For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
� For Thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)
� But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, We are the clay, and Thou our potter; And all of us are the work of Thy hand. (Isaiah 64:8)
� "Have you not just now called to Me, 'My Father, Thou art the friend of my youth? (Jeremiah 3:4)
� "Then I said, 'How I would set you among My sons, And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said, 'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.' (Jeremiah 3:19)
The Son is also found in the Old Testament:
� "I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'Thou art My Son, Today I have begotten Thee. (Psalm 2:7)
� Do homage to the Son, lest He become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him! (Psalm 2:12)
� Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know! (Proverbs 30:4)
� "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13-14)
The third member of the tri-unity of God, The Holy Spirit, is also found extensively in the Old Testament (so many referenced that I will not give you them here in this post!!!).
Finally, there are a number of verses in the Old Testament in which the triunity of God is directly expressed:
� Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His Son's name? Surely you know! (Proverbs 30:4)
� Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit. And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. (Isaiah 11:1-2)
� "Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. (Isaiah 42:1)
� "Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit." (Isaiah 48:16)
� The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives, And freedom to prisoners; (Isaiah 61:1)
� In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the angel of His presence saved them; In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them; And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore, He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them. (Isaiah 63:9-10)
Some of the verses above include all members of the triunity (Isaiah 42:1, Isaiah 48:16, and Isaiah 61:1).
Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus� baptism. During the baptism of Jesus the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son.
Note that each member of the Trinity is God. (The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Son is subordinate to the Father.
Note also that the Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe. Yes, Jesus created the universe and people according to the Holy Scripture! The Father does all these things through the Son.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God! Look what Jesus said: (John 10:30)
I (Jesus) and the Father are one.�
We do believe that God is ONE. He is tri-united and acting in UNITY. But why? Because God REVEALED us that on the pages of His Holy Scripture! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God!
Look I am ONE � Bahira- and at the same time I am 3 (body, soul, spirit). When my body will die I will be judged. Who am I? Who will be judged? So, I am living in the body the same way as God Jesus lived in the body. He was incarnated into human body but He was and is the SPIRIT. God is the Spirit (it is His nature/essence) and NOT human being.
We are created in God�s image. So, God Son, Father and the holy Spirit are THREE and UNITED. They are acting in unity and their ESSENCE or nature is the same- GOD. So, that�s why we believe in ONE God.
The Holy Scripture says that Jesus is the Word of God and He created all visible and invisible worlds! Everything! And He dwelt on earth in flesh.
John 1
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth
John 1
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth
Note also that the BIBLE is not just words or distorted writings. The Bible is the HOLY Scripture:
�All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
"If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Spirit which dwells in you." Romans 8:11
That�s why soon even our bodies will be resurrected by the same power of the God/the Holy Spirit/ �Ibn Allah. Why? To live eternally in the New World called the Kingdom of Heaven created by God Jesus for the SMALL REMNANT!
The Trinity explained by Sazie Johnson- Is God ONE?
Posted : 13 May, 2011 10:17 AM
Brothers, do you want to see the Trinity concept in the Old Testament?
Do you want to hear words of God Jesus said before His birth on earth?
Then let�s read and ponder together:
12 � Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 � All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 � Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was,
I was there.
And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit
Have sent Me.�
17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
� I am the LORD your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.�
Isaiah 48: 12-18
God is addressing to us here in this verse. God said here that He was in the beginning (I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there). Then God said that the Lord and His Spirit sent Him (Jesus). He is the Redeemer. He is the Holy One of Israel. That�s why we clearly see even here in this chapter God Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit!
