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Hamaz- How should you LIVE?
Posted : 6 May, 2011 11:48 AM

Shalom brothers. May be my message will be useful for you too:





Brothers,

Let�s consider today how Palestinian people should live in Israel and Palestine.

Our brother Muhammad Madian said:

BAHIRA,

Jews and Christians are the source of hatred and killing on this earth not muslins, what should Muslims do when Christians help Jews to come to Palestine and kill the Palestinian citizens and terrorize them to leave their homes and their farms and runaway from the face of killing and terrorization and stay in tent camps in the deserts with no food or medical care to live in poverty and misery should they love the Jews and those who helped them and still are helping them to kill more and more of them every day.

Christians are killing us because they love us or what, why killing from your side is authorized and is love but defending our rights from our side is hatred? What fools do you think we are to believe in this contradicting theory, why did Jews and Christians kill the red Indians in America to take their lands , why did they go to Vietnam and kill the people their and and and ... the examples of your hatred to all human race is numerous and endless, and in the that mode you say that you will lead humanity to become the worst animals on earth to prove to god that he was wrong when he gave up on the Jews to become deservants of being his chosen people !!!!!!!

You are very stupid to think that we are that stupid to believe your false argument!!!!!!!!

Again you are going to hell and we will watch you burn there.

In the beginning, let me remind you who are Arabs and Israelites:

A group of people led by our father Ibrahim/Abraham was chosen by God and separated by Him from other nations to reveal His nature LOVE. This group of people was called later by the members of this Group and by God Himself as Israel and Jews.

Look it is the same if I am Bahira would marry Muhammad Omar and then my name would be Bahira Omar. But my origin will not be changed in this case. If I am a Yahoodi/Jew I will be Yahoodi no matter who is Omar. Thus, the name of the group was Israel and Jews. Does this name change their origin? No. Why? Because they were Yahoodies and they are Yahoodies today because blood of their father Ibrahim is in their vanes!!!!

No matter how would you call this group of people Jews or Israelites or Arabs they are ONE group/nation separated by God from other pagan nations who worshipped idols and did not know God of this group called Himself as God of Israel.

The same way Arabs are Israel too because blood of Ibrahim is in their vanes too. But they call themselves as Arabs. Thus, name is nothing but ORIGIN is everything. God gave the similar blessings to the both groups Arabs and Jews. He blessed them.



So, God chose one group of the people which was later called Israel/Jews.

We must remember that Israel, the nation, is very special to God.

God addressed to Israelites:

�For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession. The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.�

Deuteronomy 7:6-8

This God of Israel, or in other words, God of this group of people, called themselves as Israel and Israelites, told them that He gives them the Promised Land (the symbol of the Kingdom of Heaven) for their eternal possession.

"The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:8

What does it mean?

It means that the Promised Land, where Jews and Palestinians dwell today, was given to Israelites as an everlasting possession. And who you are if you dare to take what was given by God?

Now you Muslims may say that your Islamic allah is not God of Israel.

And you are right.

Because religion Islam was founded by angels and Muhammad many centuries after the existence of the Holy Scripture and the holy words of God of Israel gathered together in the Taurat/Torah/Injil and the Tanakh. The violent nature of Islamic god proves that he could not be considered by us as the Holy God of Israel. But however, Islam confirms that the Holy Land was given to Israelites. Let�s consider these Suras now:

17:101-104. To Moses We did give Nine Clear Sings: As the Children of Israel: when he came to them, Pharaoh said to him: "O Moses! I consider thee, indeed, to have been worked upon by sorcery! Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him. And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd.

5:20-21. Remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Call in remembrance the favour of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. "O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin."

5:20-26. And (remember) when Moses said unto his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour unto you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers: They said: O Moses! Lo! a giant people (dwell) therein and lo! We go not in till they go forth from thence. When they go forth from thence, then we will enter (not till then). Then out spake two of those who feared (their Lord, men) unto whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if ye enter by it, lo! ye will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if ye are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk.

By inspiration we told Moses: "Travel by night with my servants; for surely ye shall be pursued." Then Pharaoh sent heralds to (all) the Cities, (Saying): "These (Israelites) are but a small band, "And they are raging furiously against us; "But we are a multitude amply fore-warned." So We expelled them from gardens, springs, Treasures, and every kind of honourable position; Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things.

28:2-6. We will recite to thee something of the tiding of Moses and Pharaoh truthfully, for a people who believe. Now Pharaoh had exalted himself IN THE LAND and had divided its inhabitants into sects, abasing one party of them, slaughtering their sons, and sparing their women; for he was of the workers of corruption. Yet We desired to be gracious to those that were abased IN THE LAND, and to make them LEADERS, and to make them THE INHERITORS, AND TO ESTABLISH THEM IN THE LAND, and to show Pharaoh and Haman, and their hosts, what they were dreading from them.

What does it mean?

It means that Palestinians should KNOW that the Promised Land was given by God to Israelites. And there is no reason to get this land back. Because God gave it and He gave it to Jews for the ever lasing possession.

But who are theses Jews in Islam?

Let�s continue to read al Qur�an:

1. Jews are chosen �are chosen above all other creatures, above the nations (44:32. And We chose them aforetime above the nations, knowingly)

2. They were given the Holy Scripture (45:16, 61:6)

45:16. And verily we gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favoured them above (all) peoples

61:6. And when Jesus son of Mary said: O Children of Israel! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One. Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say: This is mere magic.

3. Jews should occupy the Promised Land and dwell there securely (5:21):

5:21. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely ye turn back as losers

So, now we know the TRUTH.

But let�s listen to our brother Khaled Mashal, Hamas political leader:

"Jerusalem's fate will be decided with jihad (holy war) and resistance, and not negotiations."

"We say to the Islamic nation: You want neither to pay charity nor to wage jihad? You want neither to give us financial aid nor to wage jihad? How are we supposed to liberate Palestine? How are we supposed to regain the Al-Aqsa Mosque? How are we supposed to be a great nation facing the world? By Allah, we have no choice but to sacrifice our property and our souls. This is the way. There is no other way." Mashal, visiting Sudan, on Al-Jazeera in 2006

Brothers, Khaled Mashal wants to solve some political issues but he does not know Islam and God of Israel! He does not know the Holy Scripture that�s why he wants to violate the HOLY LAWS of God and to use money of Saudi businessmen to finance his war against Israel.

But how are you going to FREE your Palestine? How are you going to make it holy and perfect?

Let�s listen to God Jesus. He explains us that we are unclean if we are we are guilty of evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly�

Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said,

"Listen to me, everyone, and understand this.

Nothing outside a man can make him `unclean' by going into him.

Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him `unclean.'"

After he had left the crowd and entered the house,

his disciples asked him about this parable.

"Are you so dull?" he asked.

"Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him `unclean'?

For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body."

He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean.'

For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean.'"

(Mark 7:14-23)

It means if Khaled wants to live in a free land then he should contribute to get it cleansed. He cannt FREE the land by killing all Jews and shedding their blood. Hatred and murders cannt make us FREE! ONLY GOD is able to do it.

But to have PEACE in your land you should PURSUE PEACE, Khaled!

God of Israel is God of PEACE. Thus, ONLY those who choose peace are able to dwell in peace. Those who choose God who is Peace are able to FIND and WORSHIP the TRUE God!

What are the funds of Hamaz? Hamas has received support from Iran, private donors, especially in Saudi Arabia and the Arabian gulf region, from Palestinian expatriates. Many funds have been directed to Hamas through Islamic charity organizations.

If only Palestinian people who are a part of Hamaz would use their funds to reconstruct economy and promote Palestinian business organizations then people could see some positive effects. But goals of Hamaz are combined with Islamist objectives and Palestinian nationalism and they of course can not help solving problems of Palestinian people!

We know that the God of Peace is just (Philippians 4:9, Deuteronomy 32:4).

If you live according to His Laws then your life would be marked by doing what is right and by peace.

Media reports of women, small children and Palestinian men suffering horribly under the onslaught of Israeli soldiers who enrage those who are sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. And you Muhammad Madian are one of them.

Others, who side with the Jewish state, are saddened by the killing of Jewish people and their children in Israel. It is what they call �collateral damage�.

Whose Land is it anyway?

This Land belongs to God and it was given to Jews to live there in PEACE with God and their brothers Arabs.

Mousab Hassan, son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, a founder of Hamaz announced his decision to follow God Jesus/�Ibn Allah because he found out that Hamaz reigns in terror and was not even shying away from torturing and killing its own members.

What kind of freedom do Mashal and you Palestinians propagate?

We know that God commanded to love our enemies.

God Himself who will execute JUSTICE in His ways:

�Punishment is mine and reward, at the time of the slipping of their feet:

for the day of their downfall is near, sudden will be their fate.�

(Deuteronomy 32:35)



Palestinians, there is the Good News. Peace is possible in Gaza and in Palestine because justice will been done by God Himself very soon! His Son/ �Ibn Allah comes back to judge us.

But until this day He commands you:

�As far as it is possible for you be at peace with all men.�

(Romans 12:18)

If we do not do what God says the we know of course that God will punish us severely on the Day of Judgment with everlasting fire. The same will happen to everyone else who refuses His ways. Thus, knowing that, Khaled you should TURN your heart to God, live governed by God who is LOVE and PEACE. Then you will experience God�s justice and peace in the Middle East and even in the middle of the military conflict around you.

Our real, final and everlasting homeland is the Kingdom of Heaven.

Strive to get there by living the HOLY life.

Wash your hands from the blood of your sins.

Use your money to give food to people.

Be governed by the holy laws of God! One of which reads:

LOVE people and LOVE God.

And then God of our father Ibrahim who declared us that He is God of Peace and LOVE will be

with you everywhere.

Try to get to know His Justice.

Because His Justice SETS you FREE of your sins though your FAITH in �Ibn Allah!



Summary: The real driving force for any antagonism, war and fight is HATRED.

Any kind of aggression, invasion, war, terrorism, slaughter in any form in Jihad or other political movement is an ABOMINATION for the holy God of Israel. Because His nature/essence is LOVE and PEACE.

Those who do not love people, do not love God.

Those who hate brothers are murderers and they will NEVER inherit the Kingdom of God.

And it is fair. It is exactly what you call JUSTICE:

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth,

for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.

Also there was no more sea.

Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying,

�Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them,

and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes;

there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.�

Then He who sat on the throne said,

�Behold, I make all things new.�

And He said to me, �Write, for these words are true and faithful.�

And He said to me,

�It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,

which is the second death.�

Revelation 21: 1-8

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Hamaz- How should you LIVE?
Posted : 6 May, 2011 10:29 PM

I wonder if Hamaz understands the difference between the Jews of Israel and the Arab Jews of Palastine, outside of political differences?

Am I missing the mark to understand that the bible teaches that Palastine once called Philistine, was Canaan the promise land, which is Israel the land Giod promised to the Jews?. Or do I have this all wrong?...

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