"LSU, my comments in my post are not about Calvin, they are based on what God says in His word..."
then we look up the page a little
"have been taught in your Calvinist beliefs"
"twist it around to justify your Calvinistic beliefs"
"I don't care to hear what you have been taught in your Calvin teaches to jsutify your Calvinist beliefs"
You were saying?
"Either the Holy Spirit has revealed to you what God is speaking and how it relates to Jacob and Esau or He hasn't. Either you know waht you'r talking about or you don't."
Ryan - What you seem to fail to realize is that there are so many interpretations of the verses and yet most will tell you they are spiritually discerned. Well we know that cannot be true of all, so what makes yours right?
"What does Romans chapter 8:verses 28, 29,30, all mean as they relate to Romans chapter 9? Simple question..."
The verses in the same way describe God's sovereign choice before birth in choosing. You know that's how I view them in relation already.
"one thing I do know is that you guys quote many scriptures, that don't even relate to your arguments"
Example
".because you don't have a clue as to what Romans chapter 9, is about when speaking about Jacob and Esau or the other in the chpater"
You have yet to show that you do. You explained away the clear teaching in Romans 9.
"even your own Calivnist teachings"
wait... where is it....
"LSU, my comments in my post are not about Calvin"
ET, had you listened earlier I said I answered the question of interpreting Romans 9 in the "is it God's nature" thread or whatever the title is. Third page
Sorry LSU, I read, but you did not explain Romans chpater 8, as to how it relates to Romans 9. you posted an article on Romans 9, as to what someone else said. I ask YOU to explain how Romans 8:28-30 relates to Jacob and Esau... anyway, I will keep it moving its clear you don't understand.
I encurage you to start reaing for yourslef and not depend upon articles of what others say about what they find to interpret in God's word. Articles are great, but you must also know for sure what God is saying in order to compare what others are saying for yourself if it be a truth of what the article is saying.
Romans 9 has been explained in another thread which I directed you to. Romans 8 does not explain away the clear teaching of Romans 9. It only affirms it.
Esau and Jacob were at odds while in their mothers womb! Esau was born first. The birthright should have gone to Esau. But on the day that Abraham died, he was out in the field hunting.
God said the older will server the younger! Esau was the older, but he will serve the younger. God knew before they were born that Jacob would be a man after His own heart.
Esau would rather go hunt rather than study His word. Jacob loved the Lord and spent his time in the tents learning what God had to say by scripture.
Esau did nothing to honor his parents! He should have taken care of the funeral arrangements for Abraham. He did not. Jacob took care of the arrangements.
God loved Jacob! He gave the inheritance to Jacob. There is a tremendous amount to learn about this particular passage! It's easy to understand why God would hate Esau if we know the details.
"I struck out! Again I will ask upon your return that you deal with 1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us "
what about 1 john 2:19?? im not contending it all -- it does happen but my point is what to do you do with the rest of the scriptures that deal with "apostasy" ??
**>>im sure LSU you have some clue about exegising & isegising biblical hermanutics
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
The person who believes OSAS often will look at all the evidence above and conclude that if a person "falls away" he was never really saved to begin with. I'm sorry, the Bible never says, "he who falls away was never really saved to begin with". All the messages and exhortations and warnings about falling away are written to believers
Your view is no different that the calvies view of unconditional election.
I can hear a "huh"? right now. :-)
If a person is unsaved, then saved, then unsaved, it means that his salvation is dependent on the time of his death, when God chooses to take him; in the saved state or the unsaved state, ie : unconditional election.
two sparrows i think that horse in yer profile pic "mule kicked" ya'll in the forehead (no disrespect intended partner :):) )
"it means that his salvation is dependent on the time of his death, when God chooses to take him; in the saved state or the unsaved state"
it has nothing to do with unconditional election at all but everything to do with obedience to Christ -- no salvation isn't a revolving door saved then unsaved saved etc etc
that is the point here at all -- the point is can somebody lose their salvation -- guess we have to take baby steps on this issue -- first let's start with backslidding does it exist the answer from scripture is of course yes it does
a good example of one who fell away was judas
John 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve
now do you believe that judas "sicarius -latin for assassin " Iscariot who was counted as one of the Twelve Apostles betrayed Christ & was counted unto righteousness at his death?? no way jose' !!
