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Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 16 Aug, 2010 02:04 PM or better known terms fall from grace true or untrue? Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 04:46 PM its awful funny I have not made any assumptions against anyone I have not been negative to anyone just stating Biblical truth the best I no how but still have certain people making assumptions and being negative its easy to sit back and type and point fingers trying to find fault in everything Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 04:59 PM I truely have been trying to help people simply see that Christ is the only answer we have there is no hope outside of Christ for anyone but we have all the HOPE WE NEED IN CHRIST ooooh I forgot iam a pretender I think iam better than everyone its wrong to no your saved. Dont make assumptions about people you no nothing about :glow: Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 05:08 PM Iam done with the post iam not getting into arguments name calling all thee above theres no since in it Post Reply
View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 05:19 PM Hey Hamilton; Don't be bothered by PJ,I Love PJ yet he almost never has anything to say that will encourage others unto faith Love and good deeds. Now then: From who's view of understanding are we seeing Salvation,and life;YHWH's or mans. YHWH's understanding is eternal,mans is temporal. Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life (ZOE) and that they might have it (ZOE) more abundantly. There are 2 Greek words for life,one is Bios,the other is the word Zoe. Bios is where we get the English words Biography,and Biology.This word pertains to the physical life of man. Zoe speaks of life that is one of a quality that exceeds the physical life of man;This life is the life of GOD. This life is in Yeshua/Jesus Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. Since a believers life is hid,and protected in Yeshua,how then is it possible for a person to be able to lose this. John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, I purposely stopped there to show how we are saved,kept, and protected. To show where our peace and confidence lies,this is in Yeshua/Jesus alone. Yeshua starts the relationship,and he keeps the relationship. It is all about Yeshua. Agape' and Charis: St.George Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 05:50 PM Thank you tucker appreciate the post so are you a Pastor asst Pastor a servant or do you work full or partime in the ministry? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 05:50 PM Well, that post was more in response to MrRow....we have a pretty long-standing unspoken disagreement going on:laugh:. And I wasn't saying anyone is any of those things(except maybe presumptuous/prideful). All I'm saying is that if it's possible for other people to misinterpret the bible or to be a "fake-christian", but still believe they're "right" and "saved"....then what makes you immune to doing the same things? It just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not saying you ARE a pretender. I'm asking you how you know you AREN'T? How do you know that in 10 years you will still be a christian? I just think that humility demands that we admit we're sinful degenerate humans capable of mistakes and as such, we have no surety in anything but God's truth. 2 Tim. 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 06:10 PM Hey Hamilton: I drive a tractor-trailer as work. As far as Ministry,every believer is a minister/servant of Yehsua/Jesus. Those that say "I'm in the ministry" have no idea what they are talking about. There is no cigarette ministry,parking lot ministry,welcoming committee,music ministry,tape and recording ministry. These are the works of men. There is only one ministry and every believer in Yeshua is to be involved within this ministry. Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Cor 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Too many people are taking advantage of the Biblical ignorance and laziness of the believers to tell them the truth. I want the people to know the truth, I want the people to know (experience)Yeshua for who He is,and what He is like,not just what He is able to be doing for us. For what He does is because of who He is. You shall know the truth and, the truth shall set you free. Agape and Charis: St. George Post Reply
Hamilton727 View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 06:27 PM well let me give my testimony Paul gave his testimony and its a powerful tool that can be used to help otthers or even bring them to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ I was raised in church by my Dad which my mother and father was divorced when I was 3 I made a child like profession when I was around 8 years old never followed Christ or had nothing to do with Him I joined the military when I was 18 in February of 2001 I got a DUI in the Military had a bad drinking problem lived a life of Sin but on the 14th of Feb 2001 when I got charged with the Dui it bothered me so bad I thought whats going on in my life and all I could think of is the teaching I recieved in Church and God used that to get ahold of my heart HE had such ahold on my heart it was like he was telling me this was my last chance I wresteled it for 3 days I could not sleep at night there was even nights I just laid there and cried and yes I said cried lol so finnally I gave in made an appointment with a Chaplain I could not take it anymore so I told him my life story about my up bringing in church to my life as it was a drunkard and He the Chaplain said I know what you need you need Jesus everything u have ever done every sin u have commited has been paid in full by Jesus Christ I said adre you serious me the old wrethful wicked man that iam Jesus died for me well that day in his office I Came to Jesus for salvation I confessed I was a sinner and that Christ died on the cross for me I Believed and I called He came into my heart and saved me He made my night turn into day he saved me from all that the wickedness quickly and very quickly I did not wanna drink anymore I did not wanna cuss anymore I did not wanna listen to the worlds music anymore And let me tell you He saved me cause he took me from a drunkard to a righteous man of God saved me from it all Praise God and delivered me I was no longer a slave to sin in alchohol a week later I made a public profesion of faith there was nothing more that I could think of then to want to tell others of him not only that I thirsted his word 3 months of wrestling the Holy Spirit he called me to preach and I dedicated my life to serve Him Jesus Christ let me tell you its not been easy its been up and down like any Christian iam not perfect and I still sin just like us all but I love my Savior how could a man have so much love to pay a sin debt we owe is beyond me and no one well ever no the true love of Christ Amen Just a sinner saved by grace Thats pretty much it in a nutshell Post Reply
View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 07:11 PM Hamilton: Too many believers call themselves SINNERS saved by grace. They still see themselves in the condition they were in. Believers need to be seing themselves from YHWH's viewpoint. He see the believers as: Sons Saints Salt and Light A new creation The righteousness of GOD in Christ Ambassadors of Christ A royal priesthood Kings and Priests How we see Yeshua,is how we will be seeing ourselves. Do i see Yeshua from an eternal understanding or temporal. As believers in Yeshua,ABBA never see us or calls us according to our condition; Rather He sees us and calls us according to our position in Yeshua,We are His adopted children. Also,do not rest in telling people what the Lord has done for you, Rather be a witness of Yeshua and tell others of who He is and what He is like. What Yeshua does is because of who He is and what He is like. Agape' and Charis: George Post Reply
View Profile History	loose your salvation true or untrue? Posted : 21 Aug, 2010 07:37 PM The same standard does apply to me! I never have said it didn't. I could be a pretender, if at any time between now and when I die I fall away, I prove I was never really saved. You accuse me of pride, I find that funny! Because for one human being to tell a nother human being they have pride is like a fish telling another fish he is wet. They know nothing else. They don't know what it is like to not be wet. Humans beings don't know what it is like to not have pride. Post Reply

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