Some skeptics claim that he did the Bible says otherwise
Sacrifice, Jesus is the sacrifice
Jesus
John 12:32-33, “‘And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.’ 33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.”
John 10:11, “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.”
Paul
Romans 8:3, “For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”
Ephesians 5:2, “and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.”
1 Corinthians 5:7, “Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.”
Salvation by faith, not works
Jesus
Matthew 7:22–23, “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’”
John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.“
John 6:40, “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
Paul
Romans 3:28, “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.”
Romans 4:5, “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,”
Titus 3:4–5, “But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,”
Sanctification, avoiding sin
Jesus
John 17:15–17, “I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. 16 “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.”
Matthew 4:17, “From that time Jesus began to preach and say, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'”
John 8:11, “She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.””
Paul
1 Thess. 4:1–7, “Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us instruction as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more. 2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you knows how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7 For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification.”
We are not saved by works. I agree 100%. Amen. However, we stay saved by works. It is a major difference from saying you're not saved by works and staying saved by works. Now that we are saved, we need to be stay saved. If you don't work at your job or do a good job your boss will fire you as he is not paying you to do nothing, you have to earn your paycheque. Better analyze that grace as faith without works is dead James 2:14-26. No works = Lukewarm works and Jesus will spit you out for lukewarm works Rev 3:16. Jesus used the word strive in Luke 13:24. That takes work. Athletes want to be the best they strive, they run, exercise, eat right, and do what they can do to be the best it takes work just like Paul used the runners in a race how they run for a prize they work they run they do all the necessary action they need to win that prize. Paul told us the high calling of God in Christ Jesus us that prize we have to strive for Philippians 3:14.
The Bible is full of action words that call us to work strive, run, fight, put on, etc. The Bible says that all men are going to be judged according their works and not by their grace. Most Christians think it is a walk in the park being saved no works just a stroll in the park. Well, I have good news for you, you have been deceived by out of context preacher's who use out of context verses to bewitch you out of your salvation. The bible says that them church preacher's who preached faith and no works will be judged according to their works 2nd Cor 11:15 and not by their Sunday school material or diabolical sermon of the week.
Paul never contradicted Jesus he preached head to head eye ball to eyeball what he preached. Out of context philosophical preacher's will tell you differently but not the bible. Take John 10:9-10. Jesus told us his Father is greater then all and he gives his sheep over to his Son Jesus. Paul said the same thing Col 1:13-14. Jesus said many things in the bible which changed after his crucifixion and resurrection as what Jesus said before the cross and what took place after the cross are two different things such as John 3:5 Jesus talked about being born of your mother's womb of that water, in Mark 16:16 after the resurrection Jesus told us to believe first and be baptized with the Holy Ghost as Jesus's words are spirit and life John 6:63, no salvation in water baptism. Many churches have it all backwards thinking they have to be baptized in water to be saved. Not necessary, we do not make a doctorine out of water baptism. You have to be baptized by the Holy Ghost and if there is time if God permit to baptize with water Hebrews 6:1-3.
Many deceived Christians think that Jesus and his Father are one thing or the same thing by using John 10:30 out of context. Jesus did not at all say I and the Father are one thing or the same thing. Jesus was one with God his Father with the same mind no disagreements because Jesus would look foolish in verse 29 and 32 or would not be making any sense. We have to read the bible like we do a letter from a friend or anybody else as the bible consists of letters. We do not read page 4 middle paragraph of a 10 page letter to say that is the say all and end of the letter. Read the whole bible Jesus said we live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Matthew 4:4 and not just one or two things or smorgasbord gospel a bit if this and that and the next thing is confusion as God is not the author of confusion.
John 10:[25] Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
[26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
[30] I and my Father are one.
[31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Col 1:12] Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
[13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
2nd Cor 11:14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
James 2:14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rev 3:16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 20:12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Titus 2:11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
[12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
[13] Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[14] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 3:5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[6] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
John 10:30 is an interesting statement by Jesus. He said, “I and the Father are one.” What did Jesus mean? Was He saying that He and the Father were one in purpose? If so, wouldn’t the Jews claim the same thing as they sought to honor and serve God? Or perhaps, Jesus was saying they were of the same mind. If so, why didn’t Jesus say so? Could it be that Jesus was saying that He and the Father were the same person? But this wouldn’t make sense since Jesus said, “the Father and I”–designating that they are not the same person. Finally, could it be that Jesus was claiming to be of the same essence of the Father; that is, He was claiming to be divine? If so, then this would make sense since the Pharisees certainly claimed that Jesus was claiming to be God.
They are one in Divinity yet only Jesus Christ possesses the hypostatic union the communicado idiomatum & is the second person of the trinity
Jesus is not saying I am one or one thing your forgetting the AND. And shows two separate articles I (the Son of God) AND my Father (God) are one. What do you say when you AND your friend report an automobile accident to the police you both witnessed at the sametime? You say you are one as you both are in agreement. Your not two, one is going to report the accident happened like this and the other will report the accident like that, then your of two seperate minds as you will report different things about the accident. I am one with Jesus Christ not two, sinners are two they think they have some sort of personal relationship with him which is a a Hollywood gospel. It takes two to have a relationship while I am one in him Galatians 3:28.
As for Jesus being God, another Hollywood perverted gospel as Jesus could no more be God then I can be, as God was not Superman to come in the flesh for mankind . The Trinity is a perverted Superman gospel ("the father becomes the son, the son becomes the father" line from Superman) as God sent his Son Jesus John 3:16 or Romans 8:3. God the Son cannot do a thing for anybody and neither can God the Holy Ghost as they are both fictional characters who never lived a day on the earth and both of them did not die for my sin like Jesus Christ the Son of God did. Jesus gave us the Holy Ghost, he did not introduce us to a fictional charactor called God the Holy Ghost. Can't make the blind to see, make the lame to walk, deaf to hear, etc in the name of a fictional charactor. God the Son avdvGid the Holy Ghost are two demon spirits from the pit of hell that can also nothing for nobody except drag mankind to hell with them. Jesus said in John 4:24 God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Lots of false teachings by pastors who use out of context scriptures, misconceptions, unbelief, vain deceit etc to come up with a perverted gospel called the Trinity as it does not exist that word or idea in the bible but in out of context churches who dragging people to hell with them. Big deal mankind believes in one God so does the devil James 2:19. Only difference is demons tremble while mankind just perverts and does not tremble. Jesus was a weakling without the spirit of God his Father in him John 5:19-47.
John 4:24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
2nd Cor 1:19] For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
[20] For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
Romans 1:1] Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
[2] (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
[3] Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
[4] And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
[5] By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
[6] Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
[7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[8] First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
[9] For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
[10] Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
John 5:19] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
[20] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
[23] That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[30] I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
[31] If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
[32] There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
[33] Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
[34] But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
[35] He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
[36] But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
[37] And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
[38] And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
[40] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[41] I receive not honour from men.
[42] But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[43] I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[44] How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[45] Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[46] For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[47] But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Not one person in the bible ever called Jesus God or part of a Trinity of some kind. We have scriptures that sound like it. However, when you read the whole chapter, it does not at all say what people think Jesus is saying. You have to read the whole chapter to get the understanding every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Matthew 4:4. When you get a 10-page letter from a friend do you just read page 4 middle paragraph and that is the say all end all of the letter, or do you read the whole letter to get the full understanding? Jesus never once said he was God his Father or in a Trinity that came from philosophers from the church of Rome who used vain deceit Stephen in Acts 7 never reported a Trinity when he saw Jesus on the right hand power of God who even stood up for him. Three seperate events happening at the sametime that are of one accord in Acts 7:55-56. Not a Trinity a trio. Jesus said in John 5:25 they that are in the grave shall hear the voice of the Son of God. Not waiting to hear God's voice as he will not be doing any speaking as all power rests upon his Son Jesus Matthew 28:18. Once everything is completed all power will go back to God the Father 1st Cor 15:24. Not waiting to hear the voice of a fictional character called God the Son as he does not exist in the bible and he is not coming back for anybody God the Son.
Many people will use John 1:1-2 out of context to say that I am wrong when John 1:1-2 is not talking about God in any way, shape, or form; it is talking about his Word as we do not hold God in our hands. We hold his Words.
1st John 5:7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, ((1)) the Father, ((2)) the Word, and ((3)) the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Acts 7:55] But he, ((3)) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw ((1))the glory of God, and ((2)) Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
[56] And said, Behold, I ((3)) see the heavens opened, and the ((2)) Son of man standing on the right hand of ((1))God.
goc, you present a very amusing picture of denialist theology.
Let me help you avoid embarrassing yourself further.
First. Charging like a raging bull through your glass house isn’t the best way to preserve your fragile glass house.
Merely objecting to a particular scripture quote and charging that it is “out of context” doesn’t prove the particular scripture IS actually out of context. Just saying so doesn’t make it so‼️‼️Sounds like you’re trying to put a new face on the “just because l say so”fallacy.
Nevertheless, whatever it is you’re trying to prove, allow me to provide a simple example illustrating the type of invalid argumentation you continue to employ.
Example:
Someone directs your attention to a beautiful full moon in the night sky.
But you’re in the habit of denying the existence of a full moon.
So you retort by saying: “there’s no such thing as a full moon”.
Thus, I’ve provided for you a concise illustrative example of type of denialism you seem fond of.
The moral of the story is this:
Obviously, (well, obvious to most people), you can’t make the full moon go away simply by posting bad arguments denying its existence.
Similarly, you can’t make the Trinity disappear in the same manner by denying its existence.
But that’s exactly what you’re trying to do here with regard to theology you don’t like. You can’t seem to offer any kind of convincing proofs so all you have left are cobble shop denials. If you were to see a doctor, his prognosis might indicate you’ve caught a really bad case of radical denialism. Hope you get better soon.😀
As much as you might want to wish the Trinity away—it remains a firm undeniable presence all throughout scripture no matter what you hurl against it.
