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HolyGhostGirl View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 15 Apr, 2011 06:22 PM Why did the Lord reject Esau before he was even born? ROMANS 9:10-13 Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:10 AM The seed cast on the path, rocky ground, weedy ground and good ground pretty much explains this hypothetical pastor. I think it is highly unlikely or even impossible for seed cast on good ground to reap hell. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:13 AM HICR, I think Hebrews chpater 6, speaks clearly to your pastor hypothetical question.For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were ONCE enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift (salvation) and were made partaker of the Holy Ghost. And have tased the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come(heaven). For IF they SHALL FALL AWAY(apostasy which means unbelief turn away from God's teaching). If they should FALL AWAY it is IMPOSSIBLE to RENEW (BRING THEM BACK) AGAIN TO REPENTANCE, seeing that they have CRUCIFIED TO THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH (ALL OVER), and PUT HIM TO AN OPEN SHAME. Jesus also tell us in Matthew chpater 7, that in that day MANY will come saying Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name did we not cast out demons? and did we not in your name do many WONDERFUL WORKS (notice they wil say WONDERFUL WORKS, NOT GOOD WORKS, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE), like building great churches, and sending people blood holy water for healing, and prayer cloths? ( lol). But Jesus will say to theM, Get away from ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU, you who work iniquity (WICKEDNESS) Noitce Jesus does not say I once knew you, but I NEVER KNEW YOU, becasue their works were not from their hearts in the beginning to start with... And BECAUSE THEIR FRUITS (WONDERFUL WORKS) were not about saving souls for the kingdom, but about fame and popularity among the people. LSU, in response to your comment, I hate to say this but sweetheart, you don't have a clue as to the spiritual meaning of God's word for yourself, you only know what you have been taught and read by man, and not what you have read in God's word of truth and received by revealtion of the Holy Spirit of God with spiritual insight into His word. This is why you and James deny God's truth all the time and twist it around to justify your Calvinistic beliefs. GOD DOES NOTHING WITHOUT PURPOSE...AND God's word say this "For whom God DID foreknow (before birth) He also did predestinate (chose) to be CONFORMED to the image of His Son, so that He (Jesus) might be the first born among many brothers. And whom God did PREDESTINATE, those He ALSO called, AND WHOM He called, THOSE He also JUSTIFIED, AND WHOM GOD JUSTIFIED, those GODalso GLORIFIED. WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN TO THESE THINGS?... IF GOD BE FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US. So in the case of Jacob and Esau what does all this in this passage mean? I don't care to hear what you have been taught in your Calvin teaches to jsutify your Calvinist beliefs, BUT WHAT IS GOD SAYING IN THIS PASSAGE, AS IT RELATES TO ALL THAT IS IN ROMANS CHAPTER 9, AND REGARDING JACOB AND ESAU? I don't need anymore scriptures, tell me what the passage is saying... Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:21 AM "LSU, in response to your comment, I hate to say this but sweetheart, you don't have a clue as to the spiritual meaning of God's word for yourself" "This is why you and James deny God's truth all the time and twist it around to justify your Calvinistic beliefs. " followed by.. " GOD DOES NOTHING WITHOUT PURPOSE...AND God's word say this "For whom God DID foreknow (before birth) He also did predestinate (chose) to be CONFORMED to the image of His Son, so that He (Jesus) might be the first born among many brothers. And whom God did PREDESTINATE, those He ALSO called, AND WHOM He called, THOSE He also JUSTIFIED, AND WHOM GOD JUSTIFIED, those GODalso GLORIFIED. WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN TO THESE THINGS?... IF GOD BE FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US." I'm not sure if you are trying to make my point or not. "So in the case of Jacob and Esau what does all this in this passage mean? I don't care to hear what you have been taught in your Calvin teaches to jsutify your Calvinist beliefs, BUT WHAT IS GOD SAYING IN THIS PASSAGE, AS IT RELATES TO ALL THAT IS IN ROMANS CHAPTER 9, AND REGARDING JACOB AND ESAU? I don't need anymore scriptures, tell me what the passage is saying..." I've actually posted the scriptures prior to and after the Jacob I loved, Esau I hated verse which you seem to be stuck on. The verses surrounding it qualify it's meaning. I get it, you don't want to hear what I've been taught. I don't study, blah blah blah. However all you did was tell me I don't know anything and failed to deal with the point I made. Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:43 AM LSU, if you DO SPIRITUALLY KNOW what God is speaking about in Romans 8: verses 29-30, THEN explain the passage as it relates to Jacob and Esau in Romans 9... then I will know that YOU KNOW, that YOU KNOW what you're talking about outside of what you read and have been taught in your Calvinist beliefs... all I've ever seen is that you continue to use scripture after scripture to try an make your points, but that doesn't pove YOU KNOW what you're talking about. When scripture passages are used, and you are connecting to dots, they always lead back to focus on Christ. So explain the passage... Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:46 AM So in other words, if I agree with you, then you WILL KNOW THAT I KNOW? Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:56 AM LSU , I didn't say for you to AGREE WITH ME, I asked of you to explain the meaning of the passage in Romans chapter 8: verses 29-30 as to what God is speaking about and as it relates to Romans 9. What is the meaning of Romans chapter 8:verses 29-30. y'all always quoting it and other passages, so explain it... Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:56 AM "When scripture passages are used, and you are connecting to dots, they always lead back to focus on Christ. " Or man for the Arminian :glow: Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 11:59 AM LSUm this is not about Calvin or Arminus, its about what God has told you about what He is speaking about, so what does the passage in Romasn chapter 8: verses 29-30 mean? What has the Holy Spirit revealed to you about this passage? Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 12:01 PM Ok so what you are telling me if you are finally willing to have an honest discussion? Because It's interesting after all the calvin talk in your post that now you say it's not about that Post Reply
View Profile History	WHY DID GOD REJECT???... Posted : 16 Apr, 2011 01:40 PM LSU, my comments in my post are not about Calvin, they are based on what God says in His word... Why are you flip flopping around and not explaining the passage? Either you spiritually understand it or you don't. Either the Holy Spirit has revealed to you what God is speaking and how it relates to Jacob and Esau or He hasn't. Either you know waht you'r talking about or you don't. What does Romans chapter 8:verses 28, 29,30, all mean as they relate to Romans chapter 9? Simple question... Stop your dodge-balling and answer... one thing I do know is that you guys quote many scriptures, that don't even relate to your arguments, and this is why you can't explain it...because you don't have a clue as to what Romans chapter 9, is about when speaking about Jacob and Esau or the other in the chpater, or even your own Calivnist teachings. Just explain the passages if you understand and God has revealed to you its meaning and how it is applied.? Post Reply

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