In reading the Book of Acts, I see that Peter wasn't part of the groups that spoke in tongues. Peter had a better gift of knowing what was happening and explaining it and harvesting a crop of new believers.
Looking at Paul's writings, it is obvious that not all Christians should be speaking in tongues. They should pray to receive the greater gifts.
I think one of the greatest gifts is of those who no matter where they go they wind up helping someone accept Christ.
Here is something that most folks don't know. Among the Hindu followers, there is speaking in tongues.
Years ago, I met a woman (1st date) and I knew by her church that speaking in tongues was a big item. I told her that I had a problem with the teaching people how to speak in tongues. Doesn't the Holy Spirit know how to just give it? She replied that she really didn't teach them but instead let them watch and listen so that they got the idea.
Funny thing is; it doesn't sound like a language. There is too much rhyming and too much repeating of words. The worst case was a pastor saying, "To drink,......to drink, to drink, to drink. To drink!"
I have even run across folks who claim that God can't hear prayers that are not in tongues. No body gets saved I guess.
OKAY! LET THE BRONCS OUT OF THE CORALS AND LETS RIDE 'EM COWBOYS AND COWGIRLS:yay::bouncy:
There is not a single scripture that backs that up without twisting it. I am sorry you fell for the lie, but it happens.
This would be comical if it were not so sad. Saying something over and over again dos not make it true. Tongues means languages, period. There is no mystical meaning. It was a tool to use to spread the Gospel and nothing else. Today it is used in a "Look at me" capacity. That is not a Christian virtue.
It depends on whether the word is your source, or tradition is your teacher.
The word clearly says the traditions of men make the word of God of none effect.
The word is always true:
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one int
Sorry Leon, PJ is right in his scriptures.I have to agree with him here. However, I follow strict guide lines tougher than what the word says.I pray in a unknown tongue only at my home.When I am alone with my cats. I do not do certain things in public.:peace: I have no problem if you disagree. Your good friend Dennis:peace:
My questions are and I hope some one can answer them from God's word instead of their opinion is this.
1 Corinthians 14:19 �Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1 Corinthians 14:22 �Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
In light of the two above verses and seeing how tongues is not for those who believe but for those who don't believe and with the big hint Paul gave about speaking five words in a language with understanding, rather then a language no one can understand, why all the unbelief when people profess tongues? I would think in light of God's word people who profess tongues are only showing their unbelief, it God's word can be trusted. Can it be trusted to be true?
Can anyone prove God make a false statement from his word or at least show God has contradicted himself and prove it from God's word? Opinions are really worthless as the prove nothing. I trust in God's word for he has magnified it above His name.
Psalms 138:2 �I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name
Dennis please tell me, why would you need to pray in a different language at home in privite prayer when no one is there to hear but God and your cats, God can understand your English?
If your cats are understanding your prayer then there is a problem. LOL! :nahnah:
I wonder how one tests a tongue to see if it is of God. Why couldn't it be of the god of this world as well? Who is to know? What profit is there in it? Who do people make a religion out of tongues? What happened the fruits of the spirit? How come no one has any answers for scripture?
How come everyone ignores the scripture about tongues being for unbelievers and make out like its as gift from God for believers.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
When taken in context, Paul has just said that tongues is not for believers, it is for unbelievers. This explains why. No one but God can understand. Mysteries has been twisted to mean a good thing, that is not what Paul is saying, look at the context.
I noticed, like all Pentecostals, you skipped verse 3. That is because it shows where your understanding is flawed.
1Co 14:3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.
Now there is something that actually serves a purpose.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
So, speaking in "tongues" lifts yourself up, doesn't the bible warn those that do this that they will be humbled?
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
Once again, there has to be understanding.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
Praying in the spirit as spoken of in the bible is praying in your mind. This is what Paul is saying, it is your mind doing the praying when you do this. However, it still does not help because you don't understand it. Unfruitful.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one int
These last two are self evident, I am surprised you posted them. They both teach against what you have said here.
Leon I know the difference between praying in tongues and the Gift of tongues.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
You remember saying tongues was always a known language, my bible speaks here of an unknown tongue.
This sentence is as all sentences a declaration, this is an example of praying in tongues, and the word reveals here when you pray in tongues you pray unto your father.
It is interesting you disagree with that.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Again this verses is speaking of praying in tongues, and the word tells us that when you pray in tongues, one is edified, or built up spiritually, You likened that as being puffed up.
Praying in the spirit as spoken of in the bible is praying in your mind. This is what Paul is saying, it is your mind doing the praying when you do this. However, it still does not help because you don't understand it. Unfruitful.
The bible says my Spirit prayeth, not my mind, mans mind is not His Spirit not ever. His reasoning faculties in otherwords do not know what is being prayed.
The last verses you spoke of are referring to the Gift of tongues, not praying in tongues, Paul did not discourage it but instructed the believers.
Theses truths are not hard to understand when you have received the Holy Spirit.
Bottom line tongues are the bible evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.
Why do you always ignore the beginning of this chapter?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
I will deal with your heresies one more time and then I am through with you for good this time.
You say you know the difference between praying in tongue and the gift of tongues. Your own words convict you because there is no difference. I will prove this in the following, of course you will not believe, but that seems to be your M.O.
First, we need a little Bible Preschool. Any words in your KJV Bible that are italicizes were not i the original manuscript and were added by the translators for clarity. In other words, man's words, not God's. Now if you will look at the word "unknown" that you are so proud of, you will see that it was added by man in every instance. Not one single time do the words unknown and tongues appear together in God's word, man had to add it to make that happen.
As for verses 2 and 4 being examples of praying in tongues.....only if you are adding to the word again. The bible clearly says speaks, or speaketh. The word pray is different and is used throughout the Bible along with the word speak. So, either you are wrong or God made a mistake. Guess who I will believe.
As for 12:31, first it was 2 chapters back, not the beginning of this chapter, also Paul tells you tongues has no purpose without love. I don't remember ever seeing you show any love for your brothers on here, HUH?
In 14:39 Paul does say do not forbid to speak in tongues, but this is only AFTER he set up the rules for doing so. Chief among them being the presence of an interpreter. Does forbid not sound like he is encouraging it to you? To me, it sounds like he is telling us that if all the conditions are met, we should tolerate it. I have never once seen the conditions met.
In short, PJ, your explanation shows nothing but biblical ignorance and vain conceit.
