I believe you are taking this "censorship" too far. What I said was not insulting but making a point. If an argument is a bad argument it is a bad argument and pointing that out should never be considered insulting. If I said it was not a "sound" argument as it wasn't it would still be the same or saying it is not a logical argument, same thing. If someone makes a bad argument there is nothing wrong in pointing that out. Anyone can twist something and turn it into an insult when no insult was intended.
Pointing out to Jude that the burden of proof lies with her to make her case valid and prove it with Christ' own words in a commandment to His Apostles is valid as we are NOT under nor ever have been under the Mosaic Covenant. We are under the New Covenant. If someone teaches that we are required to tithe and yet Christ nor the Apostles gave no such commandment and Jesus commanded us to teach only thoe things HE gave command to His Apostles to teach, Mat 28:19-20, then that person would be in direct disobedience to Jesus. Pointing that out to someone is not an insult. It is demonstrating the importance to make sure that what is being taught conforms to what Jesus commanded.
Look at Judes reply. Her arguments were based upon OT scriptures for those under "The Mosaic Covenant" and NT scriptures that were in context of Jesus dealing with JEWS under "The Law". These were NOT commandments of Christ to His Apostles.
Cattle you know I love you my Brother but in my opinion I believe you are going just a little too far. I agree with you in prior posts of calling us out for our behavior but I cannot in this instance.
Oh I understand about the delivery but sometimes we have to be direct and upfront. There is only so much sugar coating one can do before the point looses it's impact.Let's consider this below illustration as an example.
Suppose we had someone on this site that was promoating premarital sex as being ok and not a sin because he/she was twisting the word fornication to mean something different. Do we directly point out their error or do we avoid a direct approach?
Suppose you had someone on here promoting a position that could affect the salvation of themselves and others. Do we directly address this or do we just sugar coat our delivery so much that the affect of our point is lost?
By the way, this issue regarding the Old Covenant and New Covenant can be a salvation issue as Paul sternly warned that those who teach that it is necessary to keep any part of "The Law/Mosaic Covenant", has "Fallen from Grace". Galatians addresses this issue very well. Paul was not gentile in his delivery either.
I hope I made my point. It is a balancing act in how to approach an issue and while some people may get "offended" or feel insulted, I would hope to think that as mature Christians we would not allow prideful feelings enter in and. That we give grace to all and as we all have faults especially me and that instead of focusing on the delivery we should focus on the message. But that's just my opinion.
Moses covenant is the covenant of grace. Sin is not following the law, lawless is sin. No point where scripture telling people that is a sin to follow the law. Covenant of work is made with Adam.
dear walter, you know i love you too bro.. thats never been a question..
and i appreciate the way you are coming to me here with this.. you and i have always been friends and even when we disagree thats never changed that..
lets look at summin you wrote
Sorry but that is not a valid argument. It's the same bad argument that Sabbath Keepers use like this one:
Regardless... as I have already proven,
to me maybe it would of been better to say i believe the sabbath belivers to be wrong.. and heres why ... and not speak of how bad you believe them to be off.. and dismissing their part of the discussion entirely..
cause what i see there and i hope you can see there too is you state it as a fact that you believe and it appears very disrespectful of anyone here who may be a sabbath believer .and believes in keepin it..
we can have discussions of our beliefs and not have to throw out insults about others and their beliefs..
also with this reply here you stated
and furthermore you would be in direct disobedience
you stated that fact that you believe directly to jude..
do you not find that to be disrespectful and provacative towards her? i do brother..
when it comes yo someones intrepretation of scripture remember what the admin had to say about your facts may not being everyone elses facts? i think that was very good advice to keep in mind when talkin to others here..
now i will tell you i agree with you alot on what you believe.. we do disagree sometimes and hey thats cool too. ..
but our facts arent always someone elses facts.. so we need to stay respectful to others who believe differently than us when we are trying to teach what we believe..
im not tryin to be nitpicky or stop folks from speakin their beliefs..and havin a good discussion i just believe we can do so as the admin has asked us all to do here before..
the admin dont come here too often but when they do they usually give good advice..
heres a few of their former quotes on this very thing..these arent aimed at anyone just their simple guidelines is all. that have been used before here..
These are simple guidelines we are asking you and all of our members to respect: don't name-call, don't be insulting to others, don't liken the very foundations of others to that of a cult.
However, please let us have civil discussion here and know that you are broadcasting your opinion. Your "factual" basis may not be shared by others.
Please stop using this kind of language which disrespects others.
We must ask that you heed this warning and refrain from future incidents of insensitivity.
me again
after the admin spoke last time.. it calmed down for about a week.. folks was havin good discussions .. alot more folks came out to partake in the bible discussions once again.. cause they wont fraid of folks ridiculing them..
but these things got heated and abrassive bout 3 weeks ago now.. and after that week things started gettin back to the same ole..... and now here we are yet once again..
i believe we can really have civil discussions here even in the bible section.
look if i can do it as passionate as i am i know we all can do so.. none of us may be perfect.. and may slip at times.. so if i speak to ya please just take it and try to do better.. cause i hate havin to say anything to anyone as much as they hate me sayin anything to them..
I think your position is needed and that it is a thankless job, but I have no problem with you saying we are over the line. My problem was that you seem to have a few who are exempt from this.
I am not asking you not to do your job, I am asking you to enforce it equally and fairly. Nothing more. I do know myou are human and only one person, but it has been called to your attention enough that it should be obvious from now on.
I'm fairly new to this site and the forums. I just want to thank you for being here and for addressing this issue. I think some opinions should be kept outside of this arena. Being offensive is pretty easy when you are dealing with people of different beliefs even in the Christian realm. We all hold our beliefs close to our hearts and having someone challenge what we believe can come across as an insult. I'm pretty thick skinned and I can take it but a lot of people can't.
I think there are better ways to teach others than to be on the offensive so much of the time.
Cattle, thank you for callin ta my attention my brassness in my reply to Walter. It was harsh an disrespectful. I appreciate your patient and gentle manner in these situations always...
Walter, I apoligize for my harsh and angry responce towards you and your comments. It was hurtful and disrespectful.
Oviously we do not agree here and that is the bottom line.
So with that said and all due respect to All here...Hava Blessed day...Luv ya all...xo
dear leon, those are pretty serious allegations youre making towards my integrity ,honor and sense of fair play..
with that said i do take em seriously and each time youve spoken about them i have gone back and looked at what you percieved to be unfair.. i looked at what theyd said and i even explained to you why they were not spoken to..other than bein spoken to when i am speaking to everyone..
theres been bad blood between you two .. and you let your anger get the best of you..
best advice i can give you is dont keep doin what you were asked not to do.. take care of doin your part..
do ya recon your ideas about me bein fair may stem from you havin to be spoken to about 4 times now? 4 times...
and youve admitted all the times were called for..
its funny how usually the folks who believe youre not fair are the one thats been spoken to..
take a look around ,,do you see numerous others sayin im not a fair man? do you see even one other besides yourself sayin im not fair?
i believe a man that will speak to his friends sure doesnt mind speakin to others as well..
i do the very best i can to be fair and equal to all.and try to treat everyone with respect even when they may be disrespecting me.. hehe and i prefer not to have to say anything to anyone.. but unfortunately thats not always the case..
with that said leon i really dont have anything else to say about this for now..
you know i love you as a friend and a brother.. that dont change just cause we disagree.
