The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 12:53 PM
The Evidence of the Holy Ghost Baptism is Speaking in Tongues
New Languages Ordained by God, Yet Despised by Man ...
Many people look askance when an individual, or a church, projects the Word of God in its fullness, and implement God's Word in their lives as He commands us to do. Argumentations particularly arise when the Word of God is quoted for the pattern of salvation:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent (have a change of mind), and be baptized (i.e. immersed)every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shallreceive the gift of the Holy Ghost." - with the evidence of speaking in tongues - ACTS 2:38.
Much disagreement also arises when God's Word is shown to command us to worship Him in the new language, which the Lord puts on the lips of a person as He converts him to the Christian 'walk'. There is, however, no confusion or disagreement in God's Word, and He commands people to do as He says, not what they want to do:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (JOHN 14:15)
We find that God says in JOHN 4:23-24:
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPPERSshall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
See 1 CORINTHIANS 14:14where the Apostle Paul enlightens us concerning his ability to pray in the spirit by use of the new language. Read verse 18 also.
We do note that the scripture in JOHN 4 defines 'true worshippers', indicating there would be worshippers (but not 'true' ones) whose worship is not accepted by God because their prayers are not in the Spirit (i.e. praying to God in the new tongues He gives).
God gave many people the new miraculous languages on their lips on the day of Pentecost (about fifty days after Christ's crucifixion) - ACTS 2:1-4. On that day, the Christian Church was born, and these new languages glorified the works of God (see verse 11).
ACTS 2:37-39 give allmankind the full pattern of God's salvation. There is no compromise with God's Word! We see in JOHN 16:14that God's Spirit (as we pray in the new language) glorifies Jesus and reveals Him to us. Moreover in ACTS 2:11, we are shown that the Spirit glorified God as they prayed in the new languages: God commands that this is a 'MUST' for those who worship Him (those who are saved) - JOHN 4:24.
Why then, when God's Word is so clear, should there be rebellion and confusion in the world on this issue today? God's Word tells us why! Because man and man's ways are at enmity with God - JAMES 4:4; 1 JOHN 2:15-16; ISAIAH 55:8-9. This enmity is shown clearly in these scriptures.
LUKE 2:34 "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against."
We note that God's Word says in ACTS 28:22that 'this sect' was spoken against everywhere.
ACTS 2:22 says: "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
ISAIAH 66:18,19tells us that this sign would be in the midst of His people.
People who pray in the Spirit (with the miraculous new languages given to them by God), are said to be heretics, fanatics, and so on. God's Word forewarns us that the people would say just this:
ACTS 24:14 "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets."
Note also that verse 25of ACTS 24 tells us:
"And as he (Paul)reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee."
If Paul, being of 'the way' by God's power, caused Felix the Governor to tremble, we also should keep to God's Word, follow God's way, and let God cause the nation to tremble and turn to Him. Why speak against 'God's way' when the nation is in such dire need? Why speak against God's Word and be judged for it?
HEBREWS 13:15 says: "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of ourlips giving thanks to his name."
This scripture was written to the Hebrews, a Spirit-filled people.
We have seen previously how God's Holy Spirit was poured out when the Church was born in ACTS 2:1-4.
Other relevant scriptures are:
ACTS 10:44-48 (Verse 46 shows how they knew the Holy Spirit was poured out).
ACTS 11:15-17(Peter was present on the day of Pentecost).
ACTS 19:1-6.
The Word of God in DEUTERONOMY 4:2, PROVERBS 30:6 and ECCLESIASTES 3:14 warns every person not to add to, or take away from God's Word, BUT to accept it as written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.
'The fruit of (the) lips' of those people to whom Paul wrote in HEBREWS 13:15would include the new, miraculous, God-given languages of the Holy Spirit.
All these scriptures should be clear to God's 'born-again' (JOHN 3:1-7) sons and daughters everywhere (ALSOto the unsaved person, who should take heed of what God has written).
Remember, as one worships God in the new, heaven-given language, the Holy Spirit glorifies God (ACTS 2:11), praying according to His will (ROMANS 8:26-27), and glorifies and reveals Jesus to the believer (JOHN 16:14).
Jesus did saythat these signs would follow them that believe. He did not say these signs shall follow the unbelievers and critics. So we see that no person has any right to alter the pattern as laid down by God in His Word! ALLmust refuse to compromise on God's Word.
We note in 1 PETER 2:6, that God says a 'chief-cornerstone' is laid (i.e. Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God). Verses 7 and 8 tell us:
"Unto you therefore which believe (who trust and adhere to Jesus) he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders (the Jews) disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."
JOHN 1:1-14reminds us that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. Because people are disobedient to Jesus' Words, and will not obey them, they stumble at them. Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (JOHN 14:15).
GOD'S WORD IS CLEAR !!
THE WORD OF GOD DOES NOT NEED TO BE INTERPRETED - BUT ACTED UPON !
We are always to ...
EXALT THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR, BAPTIZER, GLORIOUS LORD, AND COMING KING.
...ANDthere is no way to do this, but by telling others of the pattern of salvation as written in God's Word, reading and obeying that Word, and worshipping God by praying in the new, heaven-given tongues poured out on His people when they are saved by His grace.
The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 07:47 PM
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
about 18 diffeernt languages or dialects are implied here!!!
not to mention folks was acusing them of being drunk???
why in the world if the were just speaking another language would anyone think they were drunk!!
kinda like folks think PJ and I are crazy or diluted cause we speak in tounges!!
HEY I know agompeton!!
What would the tounges of angels be thats somewhere in the wrightings of the aposle paul?? NOW would that be an earthly language? HMMM I wouldnt think so, tounges or language of angels would be a heavenly language
The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 08:18 PM
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The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 07:33 PM
UGGHHH!!
The first miracle was that the men spoke in an unknown tounge! a whole nother language!!
ME: The SAME TONGUE PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING WAS THE SAME TONGUE PEOEPLE HEARD, sister. to separate them and that event is pure rheteric and a grave misuse of Scriptural fact.
The second miracle was that men who spoke a different language than the men is verse 4 actuly spoke (but this was not the language they were speaking) they all herd them in their own languege! Think about it!! all thses men weref rom different places so the men speaking were only speaking one language but the men who were listening in verse 6 were HEARING their own language that is a miracle but the first on ein verse 4 was that they were speaking in a n unknown tounge!
Let's look at the text to see to see where your assumption is wrong and ask a few questions shall we? (I'm going to cheat and give you the answer if you pay attention. Shhh. Don't tell anyone. K?)
Act 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
Act 2:9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God."
K. Lets give a quick run down. K? K.
Act 2:1 - ALL the 120 are in one room at the same place and time.
Act 2:2 - a great sound [ of a mighty wind] filled the place as everyone was sitting.
Act 2:3 tongues of fire sat on each of them
Act 2:4 they were filled with the spirit and began to speak (the mighty works of God 2:11)other tongueS (NOT NEW or UNKNOWN tongues but just regular man's language)
Act 2:5 every Jew from under the sky was around the vicinity
Act 2:6 with this sound (of people speaking and the sound of the mighty wind sound 2:2,4) people came and heard the 120 speak in a language of THEIR OWN NATIVE LAND(2:5).
Act 2:7 the people under heaven (2:5) were amazed (2:6)because all who spoke this language were understood by everyone.
Act 2:8 All gathered (2:5) and wondered why they heard (2:4) the 120 speak theyr own native language from thier birth (2:5-6).
Act 2:9 -11a About 15 nations were repesented.
Act 2:11b The 120 (2:1) we hear them telling in our own tongues 2:6, 8) the mighty works of God."
Now here come the questions:
1. How many people were gathered?
2. Where were the 120 gathered?
3. Were the 120 speaking the same tongues?
4. What made the multitude come together?
5. Who was the multitude?
5b. Where was the multitude from?
5c. How many nations?
6. Why were they confused?
7. What were the 12o saying while speaking in tongues?
8. How do we know what they were saying while they were speaking in tongues?
If these men were actuly speaking in the language on the men listening thenhow are they speaking so many languages at one time!! as the scripture mentions many different places where they spoke diffeent languages!
SOOOO the only conclusion was the unknown tounge was a seperate language that none of the men spoke at all but the men that were hearing them heard them in their own!! that doesnt mean the men were speaking the language that the hearing men spoke!
That is clear from the scripture!
ME: AND WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THIS TONGUE WAS UNDERSTOOD BY THE HEARER AND PASSERBY, sister.
IF the men speaking were talking in the language that the men listening spoke!! then what would the big deal be??
as I am sure people were bilingual back then, I am sure it would be no great big deal If I went to china and spoke chineese but if I went to chine spoke a language than no man had ever heard an d the people there heard chineese!!! well thats pretty big!
ME: UM, but the text said that they spoke in something that everyone else heard in their own language while the 120 were speaking in this language, dear. So how do you reconcile facts of Scripture with you assumption?
The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 09:45 PM
agape I do not understand what you mean, the men speaking were speaking one language the men who heard , heard them in their own language!! do we agree on that
The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 29 Dec, 2011 05:17 AM
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Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 08:18 PM
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The evidence of the holy Ghost babtism is speaking in tounges
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 07:33 PM
UGGHHH!!
The first miracle was that the men spoke in an unknown tounge! a whole nother language!!
ME: The SAME TONGUE PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING WAS THE SAME TONGUE PEOEPLE HEARD, sister. to separate them and that event is pure rheteric and a grave misuse of Scriptural fact.
The second miracle was that men who spoke a different language than the men is verse 4 actuly spoke (but this was not the language they were speaking) they all herd them in their own languege! Think about it!! all thses men weref rom different places so the men speaking were only speaking one language but the men who were listening in verse 6 were HEARING their own language that is a miracle but the first on ein verse 4 was that they were speaking in a n unknown tounge!
Let's look at the text to see to see where your assumption is wrong and ask a few questions shall we? (I'm going to cheat and give you the answer if you pay attention. Shhh. Don't tell anyone. K?)
Act 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?
Act 2:9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God."
K. Lets give a quick run down. K? K.
Act 2:1 - ALL the 120 are in one room at the same place and time.
Act 2:2 - a great sound [ of a mighty wind] filled the place as everyone was sitting.
Act 2:3 tongues of fire sat on each of them
Act 2:4 they were filled with the spirit and began to speak (the mighty works of God 2:11)other tongueS (NOT NEW or UNKNOWN tongues but just regular man's language)
Act 2:5 every Jew from under the sky was around the vicinity
Act 2:6 with this sound (of people speaking and the sound of the mighty wind sound 2:2,4) people came and heard the 120 speak in a language of THEIR OWN NATIVE LAND(2:5).
Act 2:7 the people under heaven (2:5) were amazed (2:6)because all who spoke this language were understood by everyone.
Act 2:8 All gathered (2:5) and wondered why they heard (2:4) the 120 speak theyr own native language from thier birth (2:5-6).
Act 2:9 -11a About 15 nations were repesented.
Act 2:11b The 120 (2:1) we hear them telling in our own tongues 2:6, 8) the mighty works of God."
Now here come the questions:
1. How many people were gathered?
2. Where were the 120 gathered?
3. Were the 120 speaking the same tongues?
4. What made the multitude come together?
5. Who was the multitude?
5b. Where was the multitude from?
5c. How many nations?
6. Why were they confused?
7. What were the 12o saying while speaking in tongues?
8. How do we know what they were saying while they were speaking in tongues?
If these men were actuly speaking in the language on the men listening thenhow are they speaking so many languages at one time!! as the scripture mentions many different places where they spoke diffeent languages!
SOOOO the only conclusion was the unknown tounge was a seperate language that none of the men spoke at all but the men that were hearing them heard them in their own!! that doesnt mean the men were speaking the language that the hearing men spoke!
That is clear from the scripture!
ME: AND WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THIS TONGUE WAS UNDERSTOOD BY THE HEARER AND PASSERBY, sister.
IF the men speaking were talking in the language that the men listening spoke!! then what would the big deal be??
as I am sure people were bilingual back then, I am sure it would be no great big deal If I went to china and spoke chineese but if I went to chine spoke a language than no man had ever heard an d the people there heard chineese!!! well thats pretty big!
ME: UM, but the text said that they spoke in something that everyone else heard in their own language while the 120 were speaking in this language, dear. So how do you reconcile facts of Scripture with you assumption?
The answer is very simple faith.
You can not walk in truth by reasoing that is an example of carnality.
The bible pattern is to receive the word of God and then be a doer of the word, reasoning with the mind will never acknowledge God.
