LSU that physical church of Ephesus filled with the body of believers Christ isn't threatning to remove the Spirit from the Physical building -- its' from the believers
yes i have seen both false prophets & true believers fall away
i guess if you pretend long enough that true beleives can't fall away it's true -- thus committing the logical fallicy of
Yes, the Matthew verse means what it says, however it is not all inclusive as there are many verses that speak of wolves in sheep's clothing, and those who come to Christ with great works in his name, at which Jesus will say 'Away from me, I never knew you'. There is even the AntiChrist who will do wonders to deceive even the elect if that were possible.
The Matthew Scripture is true, however it is balanced with others.
Have you been swimming with the sharks so long that you have adopted their ways?
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Just playing brother, I respect your opinion on this, and you are correct the truth of those who fall away is a undeniable reality. However the deep Spiritual state of the inner man before falling away is not that easy to judge.
"LSU that physical church of Ephesus filled with the body of believers Christ isn't threatning to remove the Spirit from the Physical building -- its' from the believers "
I'm not saying He will take it away from the building. The physical church there is filled will believer(the actual church) and non believers. He is saying He will remove His presence from the Church there in Ephesus, not from the believer's heart.
"yes i have seen both false prophets & true believers fall away"
Actually your own verses you gave say you cannot, because you will know them by their fruit. Doesn't mean you will know them right away....
15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
!st Timothy 4:1 � Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
It is by faith one is saved, and then some depart from the faith or the word of God.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
This was written to the church,
1st Jn 1:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
The father does not do man's part of the covenant, no more than the man can do the woman's part in marriage, or the woman the man's part.
PJ, 1 John 2:9 ties those verses together for you. They have to continue right? Ok well 1 John 2:9 says if they depart, they were showing they were never of us.
lol no offense take bro two it's not me that is swimming with the sharks on the calvie fifth point but you LOL :ROFL::ROFL:
yeah & remember that passage in matthew applies across the board as far as producing works --the wicked who are cast into the lake of fire produce evil works to their demise
we beleivers have a bema seat judgement to face
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Notice a false teacher/prophet looks just like a sheep. But his message is not from God. A false teacher preaches a broad way to heaven, and Jesus preaches a narrow way.
so keeping within the bounderies of the hypothetical scenerio
the "good preacher" turns away & can be according to verse 19 cast into the fire
Jn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
!st Timothy 4:1 � Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
It is by faith one is saved, and then some depart from the faith or the word of God.
"the "good preacher" turns away & can be according to verse 19 cast into the fire"
Verse 19 never implies like you do that this was a good preacher.
1(A)Therefore, having been justified by faith, (B)we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also WE HAVE OBTAINED our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5and HOPE DOES NOT DISSAPOINT, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9MUCH MORE THEN, HAVING NOW BEEN JUSTIFIED by His blood, WE SHALL BE SAVED from the wrath of God through Him.
10FOR IF while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, MUCH MORE, having been reconciled, WE SHALL BE SAVED by His life.
11And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. Romans 5:1-11
bro LSU you struck out on three pitches & a whiff!! because you miss the points entirely :):) typical calvie --anyway gotta run it's been a blessing & been real but i got stuff to do catch you all laters
