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Posted : 9 Mar, 2011 05:58 PM

For Whom Did Christ Die?



There are a number of Scriptures that teach us that the scope of Christ's death was limited to the elect. Here are a few of them:



Just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for MANY (Matthew 20:28).



The "many" for whom Christ died are the elect of God, just as Isaiah had said long before,



By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify MANY, and he will bear their iniquities. (Isaiah 53:11)



The Lord Jesus made it clear that His death was for His people when He spoke of the Shepherd and the sheep:



I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep....just as the Father knows me and I know the Father---and I lay down my life for THE SHEEP (John 10:11, 15).



The good Shepherd lays down His life in behalf of the sheep. Are all men the sheep of Christ? Certainly not, for most men do not know Christ, and Christ says that His sheep know Him (John 10:14). Further, Jesus specifically told the Jews who did not believe in Him, "but you do not believe because you are not my sheep" (John 10:26). Note that in contrast with the idea that we believe and therefore make ourselves Christ's sheep, Jesus says that they do not believe because they are not His sheep! Whether one is of Christ's sheep is the Father's decision (John 6:37, 8:47), not the sheep's!



...just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for US as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God....husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up FOR HER to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless (Ephesians 5:2, 25-27).



Christ gave Himself in behalf of His Church, His Body, and that for the purpose of cleansing her and making her holy. If this was His intention for the Church, why would He give Himself for those who are not of the Church? Would He not wish to make these "others" holy as well? Yet, if Christ died for all men, there are many, many who will remain impure for all eternity. Was Christ's death insufficient to cleanse them? Certainly not. Did He have a different goal in mind in dying for them? [I am not here denying that the death of Christ had effects for all men, indeed, for all of creation. I believe that His death is indeed part of the "summing up of all things" in Christ. But, we are speaking here solely with the salvific effect of the substitutionary atonement of Christ. One might say that Christ's death has an effect upon those for whom it was not intended as an atoning sacrifice.] No, His sacrificial death in behalf of His Church results in her purification, and this is what He intended for all for whom He died.



He who did not spare His own Son, but gave him up for us all---how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring a charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died---more than that, who was raised to life---is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us (Romans 8:32-34).



The Father gave the Son in our place. Who is the "our" of this passage? The text says that it is "those whom God has chosen," that is, the elect of God. Again, the intercessory work of Christ at the right hand of the Father is presented in perfect harmony with the death of Christ---those for whom Christ died are those for whom He intercedes. And, as this passage shows, if Christ intercedes for someone, who can possibly bring a charge against that person and hope to see them condemned? So we see what we have seen before: Christ dies in someone's place, He intercedes for them, and they are infallibly saved. Christ's work is complete and perfect. He is the powerful Savior, and He never fails to accomplish His purpose.



Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for HIS FRIENDS (John 15:13).



Are all the friends of Christ? Do all own His name? Do all bow before Him and accept Him as Lord? Do all do His commandments (John 15:14)? Then not all are His friends.



While we wait for the blessed hope---the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself FOR US to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good (Titus 2:13-14).



Both the substitutionary element of the cross (gave himself for us) and the purpose thereof (to redeem us...to purify) are forcefully presented to Titus. If it was the purpose of Christ to redeem and purify those for whom He died, can this possibly not take place?



She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save HIS PEOPLE from their sins (Matthew 1:21).



Christ will save His people from their sins Well, did He? Did He save His people, or did He not?



I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me (Galatians 2:20).



This is the common confession of every true believer in Christ. We died with Him, our Substitute, the one who loved us and gave Himself in our behalf.



We have seen, then, that the Word teaches that Christ died for many, for His sheep, for the Church, for the elect of God, for His friends, for a people zealous for good works, for His people, for each and every Christian.





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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 08:54 AM

He that believeth







When we look at the apostles doctrine that specifically addresses how to be saved we see this central truth:







Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;



10:19 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.



10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



10:12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.



10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?







Note five times the term he that believes or believeth and again in one of the greatest context of the bible







Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.



3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.











Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.







Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.







Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.







Joh 6:35 And Je



sus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.







Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.







Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:







Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.







Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.







1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.







1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?







1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.







The simplicity of The gospel is in he that believeth on him.

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 09:05 AM

Hey its me again,Lord



Just wanted to remind you how ACCEPTional i am,in case you forgot....see i know your not really All-powerful cause you have to rely on us for our salvation,after all Lord if we dont make ourselves see and change our own natures,why your hands would be tied,cuz your a really powerful God and all,but you do have your limitations.Gee what if none of us had accepting powers,then Christ would have died for nothing,wouldnt that be a shame,oh well good thing I got these special accepting powers Lord,Im Special....with my accepting abilities and all....you can count on me Lord,cus me and you we is partners see.....you offer I accept....I dont need your help accepting Lord on a count of these special powers and all,hmmmmmm,I wonder why you didnt give everybody these special accepting abilities lord...Oh well...hehe...just glad I gots em





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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 08:49 AM





When we look at the apostles doctrine that specifically addresses how to be saved we see this central truth:







Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;



10:19 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.



10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



10:12 � For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.



10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?







Note five times the term he that believes or believeth and again in one of the greatest context of the bible







Jn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.



3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.



3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.











Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.







Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.







Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.







Joh 6:35 And Je



sus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.







Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.







Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:







Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.







Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.







1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.







1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?







1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.







The simplicity of The gospel is in he that believeth on him.

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 10:58 AM

Joshua 24 vs 15: "choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve."



choose- what don't you understand about choose-



Luke 15 vs 17 :( Concerning the lost son)," But when he came to himself" or when he came to his senses.



Romans 11 vs 14 : if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and SAVE some of them.



vs 22; Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but towards you, goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS. OTHERWISE YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF.

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:05 AM

J. I. Packer on Calvinism and Arminianism

In an intro to John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ J. I. Packer writes about Calvinism and Arminianism:





One proclaims a God who saves; the other speaks of a God who enables man to save himself.



One view presents the three great acts of the Holy Trinity for the recovering of lost mankind�election by the Father, redemption by the Son, calling by the Spirit�as directed towards the same persons, and as securing their salvation infallibly.



The other view gives each act a different reference (the objects of redemption being all mankind, of calling, those who hear the gospel, and of election, those hearers who respond), and denies that any man�s salvation is secured by any of them.



The two theologies thus conceive the plan of salvation in quite different terms.



One makes salvation depend on the work of God, the other on a work of man; one regards faith as part of God�s gift of salvation, the other as man�s own contribution to salvation; one gives all the glory of saving believers to God, the other divides the praise between God, who, so to speak, built the machinery of salvation, and man, who by believing operated it.



Plainly these differences are important, and the permanent value of the �five points,� as a summary of Calvinism, is that they make clear the points at which, and the extent to which, these two conceptions are at variance.

I think this is very important to note; Arminianism teaches God + man for salvation while Calvinism teaches 100% the work of God to redeem man. While I have a feeling that some arminians will argue that they believe God saves us, this simply isn't true according to what they hold to.



Arminians can boast that they are saved because they chose to turn to God.



Calvinists claim the only contribution they made was their sin (which is nothing to boast in at all).

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:12 AM

Human Inability to Come to Christ

1. "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? (No!) Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil. (Jer. 13:23)



2. "How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Mt. 12:34)



3. "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree bear good fruit." (Mt. 7:18)



4. "'Who then can be saved?' But Jesus looked at them and said to them, 'With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.'" (Mt. 19:25-26)



5. "unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (Jn. 3:3)



6. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him" (Jn. 6:44)



7. "no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." (Jn. 6:65)



8. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word." (Jn. 8:43)



9. "They could not believe, because Isaiah said again: "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them." (Jn. 12:39-40)



10. "For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." (Rom. 5:6)



11. "the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." (Rom. 8:7)



12. "So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Rom. 8:8)



13. "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14)

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:12 AM

And satan uses people to divide God's people and children...by sowing seeds of discord & doubt...their words are filled with condemnation which is of the satan...and their actions speak much louder than their words...xo

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:15 AM

"He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world...having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will" (Eph. 1:4-5)



"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will" (Eph. 1:11)

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:16 AM

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom (not "what") He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son" (Rom. 8:28-29)



"who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began" (2 Tim. 1:9)

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Posted : 11 Mar, 2011 11:17 AM

"And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:48)



"whom He called, these He also justified" (Rom. 8:30)



"concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Rom. 11:28-29)

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