It has been my experience that the answer is no. We all know and understand that HaShem is order, and that all things that truly show His Light and Love are as well. I ask that if you can't follow the simple request placed before you, please don't post on this thread.
Any debate on the Laws of HaShem, goes off the deep end, with passage after passage being posted. In just one post we may find as many as 15 if not more. This is an unproductive way to handle this, or any topic. As it can leave any one wishing to reply, with little option, Leave a post that is pages long, or leave a vague post filled with even more passages and little substance. This is what leads to endless debate with no answers, as well talking in circles.
For this reason, it is always best to look at ONLY ONE PASSAGE at a time. Now once that passage is called up, Both sides must look at it from both sides. i.e. Be ready and willing to argue the points you don't follow.
If the only thing we do is push one side of a topic, we fail to really look at the other side, and in most cases, fail to even hear the other side. So here is my propose, it is open to every one that truly wishes to open their hearts and minds to TRUTH. Not my truth, not your truth, and not your churches truth. Rather BIBLICAL TRUTH.
As almost all study of OT vs NT is centered around the Law of HaShem, (Know here after as TORAH) the first thing that must be found is, "How valid is Torah today?" Not an easy answer for many.
So here we go.
When it comes to Torah, the one passage that comes up more than other is Mat. 5:17. So lets look closely at this passage.
(NLT) Mat 5:17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.
(KJ same passage) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
One must always take note of the passage opening. Here we are told not to think that something is Yeshua's reason for coming. From that we are safe to say that anything that follows, (until a change of topic) is what we shouldn't see as coming topass. After all He just THINK NOT, or in my words, (Don't put words in my mouth, or forget the important words I use.)
So let's do a full brake down of this passage. Looking at from both sides.
First we have THINK NOT, or Don't misunderstand. Both give the same thought behind the words. Just tell us not to entertain the idea that Yeshua came to do any of the following. So what is it he didn't come to do?
(KJ ) I am come to destroy the laws or the prophets:
(NLT) I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets.
If we read this passage for what it tells us, rather than what we wish it to say, we find that the Torah, and the Prophets are placed together. From this one should conclude that they work together, and we can not remove one from this passage with any hope of keeping the whole context of the passage.
Also, if we remove any part of this, then apply the new contextual meaning to the full passage, as well as any that may follow, do we not teach a lie, based on what we hope is true? SO any teaching on this passage must hold true to both Torah and prophets. With this understanding, one must walk carefully. If we say Yeshua removed the Law, nailed it to the cross, and so on, We also say that He has removed the prophecies that have not been fulfilled. Like His second coming, Judgment of all man kind, and many others.
(KJ) I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(NLT) No, I came to accomplish their purpose
Now the most common word to be pushed by them that stand in opposition to Torah is the word FULFILL. So lets take a look at that word.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fulfill Has this to say.
a : to put into effect : execute He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.
b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.
c : to measure up to : satisfy She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.
d : to bring to an end she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house— Willa Cather
2a : to develop the full potentialities of He has a lot of talent, but he hasn't really fulfilled his potential.
b : to convert into reality a sense of the failure of life to fulfill its ultimate expectations— Leslie Rees
3 archaic : to make full : fill her subtle, warm, and golden breath … fulfills him with beatitude— Alfred Tennyson
Now in this we find both sides, we find that it can mean to being to an end, yet we must ask, has it all been brought to an end? Are we wrong to say Yeshua will be coming back? After all He has brought to an end the Prophets, then that would also mean all prophecy has been fulfilled, or removed as they no longer hold meaning. i.e. there is no need for them.
Yet if we now look at this from a more contextual view, we know He must return for the WORD to hold truth. After all if any part of what the WORD tells us is not true, then we place our salvation in the hands of sin. Just saying.
We also know from the fact that Yeshua must come again, we must understand that He is still working to FULFILL scripture.
On the flip side.
At best I can here, so I leave something our please let me know.
This passage is clear that Jesus FULFILLED the Law, nailed it the cross, and removed it. He know that man kind can not live up to it's standards, and that to be held to that standard would leave us all devoid of hope. The passage is clear in that it tells us Jesus removed law. As is clear in your own use of Webster.
I know an old truck driver, that placed an open challenge to the world. There are 2 parts to this, and not one person has ever collected from it. So here is my chance.
As the Word is clear that both gentile and Jew worshiped on Sabbath after the resurrection. Something happen that changed that. As it can't be shown from the Word that anyone did or said anything that changed the Sabbath, we are forced to look out side the Word to find who did what, and why.
Keep in mind that on this side of the coint we find that Yeshua was raised on the first day, making it the holiest day of the week. Yet that day was still just like any other day. People did there work, and just went on with life. At this time Rome did worship on the first day of the week. They even had a name for it, THE DAY OF THE SUN. Then the sun was also the focus of their worship. For something like 350 years after the resurrection, the only Bible anyone had was the Tanakha. That is what is called the OT by so many today. So what we do, it has to fit with the teachings of the Tanakha. Just Paul had to teach from it, and what he said had to line up with that. If not, he would have been run out of town, or killed.
Now jump foreword in time a bit.
In 313 AD Constantine declared "christianity" the state religion of Rome. Knowing that it would bring about civil unrest, to put it mildly, some things had to change. First order of business, the pagons will revolt if we stop them from worshiping on the day of the sun, so that has to change. Yet at the same time, the true believers would go off the deep end if we stop Sabbath worship. So everone just went on with life. and nothing really changed.
Then in 382 AD, I may be off on that year by one or 2, so don't burn me at the stack if I am wrong, they did something that changed how scripture would be seen for ever. The Council of Rome cannoned the NT. Then in a short time, around 400 ad, Augustine, a respected Catholic theologian, proclaimed that “the holy doctors of the Church have decreed, that all glory of the Jewish Sabbath is transferred to [Sunday]. There is NO Biblical backing for this change, yet as theologies do, they made one. So to do that they went on to change time lines, and even the words of the Torah. Oh they changed that back to what it should be after close to 1500 years.
So here is the challenge. If anyone can show just one passage from the Word, that tells us straight up the Sabbath was change, I will give you $1000. If you try and it doesn't say Sabbath is now the first day of the week, then you give me $100.
There are some who claim because Paul preached in Jewish Synagogues on the Sabbath in Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42 and Acts 18:4 that Christians should also keep the Sabbath Laws. However Paul was ordered by Jesus to preach to the Israelite Jews and the best way to teach a lot of Jews was in their synagogues where the Jews gathered on the Sabbath Day. The complete context in Acts 13:13-15; Acts 13:42-46 and Acts 18:2-4 below shows this very clearly!!
Acts 9:15: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {Paul} is my chosen instrument to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the **PEOPLE OF ISRAEL**!"
Acts 13:13-15: From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where where John left them to return to Jerusalem. From Perga they went on to Pisiidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church} and sat down. After reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the **SYNAGOGUE** sent word to them saying, "Brothers, if you have a word of exhortationn for the people please speak!"
Acts 13:42-46: As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church}, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to **JUDIASM** followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. When they saw the crowds, the Jews were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on them. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you **FIRST**. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles!"
Acts 18:2-4: Because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome, Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were he stayed and worked with them. Every Sabbath he reasoned in the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church}, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks!
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!
Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** they continued to meet together!!
Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be**PUT TO DEATH**
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH**. Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 2,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Matthew 12:1-12: Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, the said to Him, "Look your disciples are doing what is **UNLAWFUL ON THE SABBATH**. Jesus answered, "Haven't you heard of what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests... If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is **LORD OF THE SABBATH**!" Going from that place, Jesus went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to being charges against Jesus, they asked Him, "IS IT LAWFUL TO HEAL ON THE SABBATH?" Jesus said to the, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath?" Jesus said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? Therefore it is lawful to do good {*WORK*} on the Sabbath!"
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and **I TOO AM **WORKING**!" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 9:16: The Pharisees said of Jesus, "This man is not from God , for He does **NOT KEEP THE SABBATH**!"
The Sabbath is only mentioned two times after Acts 18:4 in Colossians 2;16;17 and Hebrews 4:9 which is obviously referring to our eternal rest in heaven:
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
Hebrews 4:8.9: If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about **ANOTHER DAY**! There remains, then a **SABBATH REST** for thhe people of God, for anyone who enters God's Rest also rests from their own works, just as God did from His!!
There is not one Scripture that shows any Christian kept Sabbath Day Laws or is told to keep Sabbath Day Laws after the Resuurrection of our Lord and Teacher and Savior Jesus Christ!
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you always!!"
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"
"Constantine named himself Bishop of the Catholic Church and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday observance in A.D. 321.
On the venerable day of the sun let the magistrate and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however, persons engaged in agricultural work may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain growing or for vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. —Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, vol. III, chap. 75."
I know also the Catholic church claims they changed the Sabbath to Sunday by THEIR authority.
“The Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath” (Luke 6:5). Here Jesus staked His claim and forbade anyone to meddle with the Sabbath.
“The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).
“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).
The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).
Pope Nicholas said of himself: “I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do... wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods. Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” (Decret. par. Distinct 96 ch. 7 edit. Lugo 1661)
The RC New York catechism states: “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth... by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
The title “Lord God the Pope” - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII C u m. Inter, t i t XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)
I think we get the picture here.
“Prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Catholic Church alone. The Catholic Church says, by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church” (Thomas Enright, CSSR, President, Redemptorist College [Roman Catholic], Kansas City, MO, Feb. 18, 1884).
I know evil people LOVE to confuse the masses and play off each other. They will have 2 teams.
Saturday keepers saying Sunday is the wrong day. etc. Sunday keepers bragging that they changed the Sabbath to Sunday from Saturday.
But if both are wrong on purpose then you got 2 camps of people keeping the wrong Sabbath ...as was intended.
Both parties bowing to the wrong god.
Kind of like when teachers of the Word debate opposing denominations only to find out in research that it was intended to make them look opposed to one another when they are really wings of the same bird. Much like political candidates. LOL
You are 100% right.When someone is so willing to stand up and say I KNOW THE 100% TRUTH, They are good people to stay away from. I am sure we all know that Theology is just a fancy way to say, "I really don't know much of anything, yet here is what I think." Proper Biblical preservative comes not from what you are told, rather how you study. As you will see tomorrow, when I post on the opening passage once more.
Don't I look silly now. I had the basics of how it came to be, Then I don't like history. It's writers can't really be trusted. Just look our own Civil war, I would bet that less then 2% of people know what really started it.
There are some who claim because Paul preached in Jewish Synagogues on the Sabbath in Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42 and Acts 18:4 that Christians should also keep the Sabbath Laws. However Paul was ordered by Jesus to preach to the Israelite Jews and the best way to teach a lot of Jews was in their synagogues where the Jews gathered on the Sabbath Day. The complete context in Acts 13:13-15; Acts 13:42-46 and Acts 18:2-4 below shows this very clearly!!
Acts 9:15: The Lord said to Ananias, "This man {Paul} is my chosen instrument to proclaim My name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the **PEOPLE OF ISRAEL**!"
Acts 13:13-15: From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where where John left them to return to Jerusalem. From Perga they went on to Pisiidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church} and sat down. After reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the **SYNAGOGUE** sent word to them saying, "Brothers, if you have a word of exhortationn for the people please speak!"
Acts 13:42-46: As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church}, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to **JUDIASM** followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. When they saw the crowds, the Jews were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on them. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you **FIRST**. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles!"
Acts 18:2-4: Because Claudius had ordered all Jews to leave Rome, Paul went to see them, and because he was a tentmaker as they were he stayed and worked with them. Every Sabbath he reasoned in the **SYNAGOGUE** {Not a Church}, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks!
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!
Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** they continued to meet together!!
Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!
Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be**PUT TO DEATH**
Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH**. Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.
This was possible in Israel since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 2,000 years after this commandment was given!!
Matthew 12:1-12: Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, the said to Him, "Look your disciples are doing what is **UNLAWFUL ON THE SABBATH**. Jesus answered, "Haven't you heard of what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread--which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests... If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is **LORD OF THE SABBATH**!" Going from that place, Jesus went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to being charges against Jesus, they asked Him, "IS IT LAWFUL TO HEAL ON THE SABBATH?" Jesus said to the, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath?" Jesus said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? Therefore it is lawful to do good {*WORK*} on the Sabbath!"
John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and **I TOO AM **WORKING**!" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 9:16: The Pharisees said of Jesus, "This man is not from God , for He does **NOT KEEP THE SABBATH**!"
The Sabbath is only mentioned two times after Acts 18:4 in Colossians 2;16;17 and Hebrews 4:9 which is obviously referring to our eternal rest in heaven:
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you **EAT** or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
Hebrews 4:8.9: If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about **ANOTHER DAY**! There remains, then a **SABBATH REST** for thhe people of God, for anyone who enters God's Rest also rests from their own works, just as God did from His!!
There is not one Scripture that shows any Christian kept Sabbath Day Laws or is told to keep Sabbath Day Laws after the Resuurrection of our Lord and Teacher and Savior Jesus Christ!
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you always!!"
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!
Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"