The NASB is widely regarded as the most literally translated of 20th century bible translations. It is a revision of the ASV of 1901. of which The Amplified Bible (published by the Lockman Foundation) is based on the American Standard Version of that same year. This translation was a alternative of the RSV, itself a revision of the ASV. Still with me? What a brain twister.The Hebrew text used for this translation was the Kittel Biblia Herbraica and the dead sea scrolls.The ben Asher text was adopted by Kittel for his third edition of Biblia Hebraica in 1937. The Ben Asher uses the Leningrad Manuscript or codex. The codex was copied in Cairo from manuscripts written by Aaron ben Moses ben Asher. It has been claimed to be a product of the Asher scriptorium itself; however, there is no evidence that Asher ever saw it. In its vocalization system (vowel points and cantillation) it is considered by scholars to be the most faithful representative of ben Asher's tradition apart from the Aleppo Codex (edited by ben Asher himself). Its letter-text is not superb, however, and contradicts it's own masoretic apparatus in many hundreds of places. The Biblia Herbraica was consulted for the 1995 revision. For Greek, Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece was used. The 23rd edition of the 1971 original and the 26th in the 1995 revision. From Nestle Allands website: Nestle took the three leading scholarly editions of the Greek New Testament at that time by Tischendorf, Westcott/Hort and Weymouth as a basis. (After 1901 he replaced the latter with Bernhard Weiss 1894/1900 edition.) Where their textual decisions differed from each other Nestle chose for his own text the variant which was preferred by two of the editions included, while the variant of the third was put into the apparatus.
Rudolph Kittels Biblia Hebraica, the Greek text of Westcott and Hort, and the 23rd edition of the Nestle Greek New Testament as well as the best Hebrew and Greek lexicons available at the time.Cognate languages,Tischendorf. the Dead Sea Scrolls, and other Greek works were also consulted.as you can see it is a soupy mix. Note how prominently the ESV acknowledges this text in its introduction:
The ESV is based on the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible as found in Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (2nd ed., 1983), and on the Greek text in the 1993 editions of the Greek New Testament (4th corrected ed.), published by the United Bible Societies (UBS), and Novum Testamentum Graece (27th ed.), edited by Nestle and Aland. The currently renewed respect among Old Testament scholars for the Masoretic text is reflected in the ESV’s attempt, wherever possible, to translate difficult Hebrew passages as they stand in the Masoretic text rather than resorting to emendations or to finding an alternative reading in the ancient versions. In exceptional, difficult cases, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Septuagint, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Syriac Peshitta, the Latin Vulgate, and other sources were consulted to shed possible light on the text, or, if necessary, to support a divergence from the Masoretic text.
Who are Westcott and Hort? After their deaths , their Sons published their personal letters which are still available on Amazon. They were evolutionists, did not believe Jesus was equal with God, they believed that man is divine, no bodily resurrection of Jesus, Heaven was just a state and not a place, that scripture is not inspired and therefore not infallable just to name a few.
It is no surprise that although both men were liberal anglican bishops, they hid their secret unitarian views because only members of the church of England could be college professors or hold a government job. This was revealed with the publication of their private letters. As we proceed you will notice that the modern bibles do not exalt the Lord Jesus Christ.
The KJV onlyism movement just points out the corruption of the modern bibles , they are not responsible for people's unbelief, this is due to the corrupt translations. Even some textual critics themselves have lost their faith, like Bart Ehrman who now writes books about the bible in an effort to make other people become agnostic like him. What about Kittel? Rudolph Kittel's son Gerhard was a theologian to Hitler. Gerhard Kittel, eliminated mention of the special role of the Jewish people.To update it he oversaw changes to words such as “Messiah” and “hallelujah”, and renamed “Jerusalem” as the ‘eternal city of God’. ‘Honour your Fuhrer and master’ and ‘keep your blood pure and your honour holy’ were added to the 10 commandments.
Importantly, during the 1930s both Kittels are said to have hailed Hitler’s rise to power as “a blessing from God”. Both became highly influential in intellectual circles in Germany. In fact, the younger Kittel became Hitler’s “high priest” of religious propaganda, providing the “theological basis” for resolving the “Jewish question”. Robert P. Ericksen, author of Theologians Under Hitler (New Haven, Yale University Press 1985 pp 45, 207, 86-88), who received the 1987 Merit of Distinction Award from the International Centre for Holocaust Studies for this work, wrote that Gerhard Kittel’s writings between 1937 and 1945 were highly instrumental in causing the death of millions of Jews in Germany and the territories it conquered in the Second World War. 'He established a solid ‘Christian’ foundation for opposition to the Jews’. Kittel also proclaimed himself “the first authority in Germany on the scientific consideration of the Jewish question”. Ericksen records: Kittel and a group of twelve leading theologians and pastors issued a proclamation that Nazism is ‘a call of God’ and they thanked Adolf Hitler
As we progress, you will see by a careful comparison of scriptures that there are some changes and omissions that should be considered as you weigh this matter of what bible to choose to use for study.
They were truly miraculous! Raising the dead! The shadow of Peter healing the sick!. Bit by snakes without any harm. Blind seeing!, etc. I am sure YHWH performs miracles for His faithful children and I see evidence of Him working through surgeons also. He is sovereign. Just not the same caliber of miracles because the Church has been established and the Bible completed. Why are you so upset Teddy?
Perhaps you would be better suited for Catholicism. But I think you would find them lacking true miracles, such as:
Pierced, bleeding hands called stigmata. Honestly, I think it is an acid wound.
Statues of the "Virgin Mary" that cry bloody tears.
From the link below: "Non-drying oils, such as olive oil, have been used in the past to saturate statues that later appear to be bleeding or weeping. Religious frauds count on belief in their honesty and integrity, as well as in the pilgrim's desire to witness a miracle. Perhaps the pious frauds justify their deception by thinking they are helping bring people to a belief in god. They might ask themselves, what kind of god wants admirers who must be tricked into admiration?" ://skepdic.com/weepingstatues.html
Apparitions of said Mary to little children in Fatima and other various apparitions around the world.
Dead Catholic saints that appear to just be asleep and not dead. I think that can be debunked although they do appear incorruptible. . There is a little child named Rosalia Lombardo who died in 1920 , who is amazingly preserved and with the aspect of a sleeping angel. In better days, she looked remarkable but now she is starting to break down. https://allthatsinteresting.com/rosalia-lombardo
Shroud of Turin. Probably Leonardo DaVinci made it with a camera obscura similar to what Vermeer used to paint such intricate details in his paintings. Vermeer;s technique has been replicated by contemporary enthusiasts. See vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS_HUWs9c8c
Notice her assumptions of previous posts - "Catholicism" Lol! Then her distractions from our actual discussion and finally her hallucinations on her coveted websites!
"God can perform miracles but notice I said that the ones that ACCOMPANIED the 1st century believers are not found today. Did Cinderella get distracted with that missing slipper???"
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Notice the start of back peddling? Lol! She says YHWH "can" (KJO's lack of FAITH) perform miracles and then strangely she uses 1st century evidence to mean there is NO 21st century (and back) evidence because she cannot see it for her LACK OF FAITH! She has to see it written in a book or a sign etc. I have seen miracles BUT even if I had NOT, I would still have FAITH that they are still taking place because the Bible says so! KJO has the tipical defeatest attitude, possibly because of her toothless "preterist" creator that dwells in her head.
Cinderella" KJO is truly missing her FAITH "slipper" because she has to "see" it NOW in front of her face, to put it on her foot!
"They were truly miraculous! Raising the dead! The shadow of Peter healing the sick!. Bit by snakes without any harm. Blind seeing!, etc. I am sure YHWH performs miracles for His faithful children and I see evidence of Him working through surgeons also. He is sovereign. Just not the same caliber of miracles because the Church has been established and the Bible completed. Why are you so upset Teddy?"
"Are you an unbelieving Jew who requires a sign?"
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Now she is really back peddling! Lol! "I am sure YHWH performs miracles" today! NO KIDDING! Then the NEW "caliber" scale "of miracles" comes out of the bag of KJO! Lol! Friends there is a caliber scale in KJO's mind and only she knows the calibration!
Its in KJO's "preterist" mind set that tells us the "truth" that the Bible miracles are "completed" in 70 AD of ALL the LARGE CALIBER miracles! LMBO! Then in her only defense she cries Teddyhug is upset, a distraction really because nothing I posted said I was upset. If you go back and read it, I was at her reasoning! Lol!
Finally KJO's does the SWITCH of reasoning, that I'm the "unbelieving" one and require a "sign" to see miracles! Ha! She does the switch that applies to her! She IS the one that is unbelieving (by lack of FAITH) and requires a sign to see miracles TODAY IN A LARGE CALIBER!
You have consistently attacked preterism but what does the bible say?
Proverbs 18
3 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Have you studied to show thyself approved unto God? 2 timothy 2:15
I am willing to humble myself if I am wrong about anything. I have done so on this forum before. How do you know Preterism is misleading ? Have you sat down and studied any scriptures to disprove this argument? Please do. Compare them all. OT and NT.
LMBO! Then in her only defense she cries Teddyhug is upset, a distraction really because nothing I posted said I was upset. If you go back and read it, I was at her reasoning! Lol!
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Quite the contrary, Teddy darling, you left out of here in a fury. I know you pretty well by now. But I see you are back again like a perpetual boomerang.
The scriptures make sense when you are a look at them from a preterist standpoint??
Actually God's Word shows that the Preterist view of the end times and its teachers are guilty of **ADDING** and **TAKING WORDS AWAY** from the prophecies in Revelation which is an **UNPARDONLE SIN** as per Revelation 22:18,19!
Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"
The **PRETERISTS** like KJV only believe this was only 1 Question??
The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains, and Matthew 24:34 only confirms that the Temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed within a generation and they were in AD 70.
Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the countrynot enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... Ther will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!
All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgement Day in Matthew 25:31-46
**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Goispel must be preacxhed to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!
The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????
In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”
Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!
Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"
Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inhreritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared fror the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"
And so the only supposedly good Preterist verses in Mark 9:1 and Matthew 24:34 actually do not prove the Preterist belief and there are over 40 versus in God's Word which totally contradict the Preterist belief!
Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must akll take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all,the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!
**WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVEN THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!
Except KJVonly and the Preterists who believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????
Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."
John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"
Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"
**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Except KJVonly and the Preterists who believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70????
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!
Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {A Stadia is exactly 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!
Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”
JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!
Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."
According to Revelation 22:3 the only 2 thrones in the **NEW JERUSALEM** will be the thrones of the **FATHER** and of the **LAMB** Jesus Christ.
at her reasoning! Lol!