I am still on the fence with John McArthur.... He had that quote I can't get out of my head...The blood doesn't save. You are saved by his death (sacrifice) ...then he says , The blood is just a euphemistic way of saying death...Well euphemistic means the same thing, just said in a different way....so does the blood save or death? I know his sacrifice takes away sins and his blood saves us from wrath. I wonder how you defend McArthur on this since to me he seems to be speaking in riddles since he said there wasn't anything magic in his blood. .
SAD*LUP CONTINUALLY QUOTES THE MIDDLE OF THE VERSES IN 2 PETER 3:14-16 BELOW **OUT OF CONTEXT**
Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation., just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote **WITH THE WISDOM GOD GAVE HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which unsound and unstable people {Like *SAD*lup and Teddy hugger} distort, as they do other Scriptures, to their **OWN DESTRUCTION**!!
*SAD*lup only quotes "His letters that are hard to understand." in 2 Peter 3:14-16 above???
Below are some Paul's inspired words with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE HIM** that unsound and unstable people {Like *SAD*lup} **DISTORT** as they do other Scriptures to **THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION**!!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the {**OT**} law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE {**OT**} LAW!!"
*WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!
Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!
Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!
Galatians 2:14-16,20,21;: Paul said, When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' know that a man is NOT justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because **BY OBSERVING THE LAW NO ONE WILL BE JUSTIFIED**!!
Galatians 2:20,21: The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Galatians 3:10-13: "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly **NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY THE LAW*, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us!
Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, *WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!"
Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a **BETTER HOPE** is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!
Hebrews 8:8,9,13: "The time is coming." says the Lord, "when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah".... By calling this Covenant "NEW", He has made the first one **OBSOLETE**; and what is OBSOLETE and aging will soon disappear."
Hebrews 8:6: But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which He is Mediator is **SUPERIOR TO THE OLD ONE**, and it is founded on better promises.
I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!! Galatians 6:2: Fulfill the **LAW OF CHRIST**!!
Hey, Scripture perverter; we and others are having a good discussion about various things; up to 6 pages now! And you have to bring your childish hateful drivel and lies here? - freaking get lost - there's a whole thread dedicated to your perversion - take it there, not here you selfish little cry baby.
Since the Hebrew language is good enough for Messiah to teach from, then why do the self proclaimed pastors use distorted English translations.
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Good question!
English is the default world language now. God knew that before hand and gave us an English bible. One of the pioneers who brought us the Bible in English was William Tyndale, who is remembered today, October 6. Born around 1494 in Gloucestershire, he was educated at Oxford and Cambridge Universities and was ordained as a priest in around 1521. He became committed to the Reformers' cause and started to translate the Bible, moving to Germany not long afterwards where he could work more freely.. Here are 10 quotes from William Tyndale:
1. I defy the Pope and all his laws [lawes]. If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy who drives the plough to know more of the scriptures than you do [said to a priest]
2. I perceived how that it was impossible to establish the lay people in any truth except the Scripture were plainly laid before their eyes in their mother tongue.
3. My overcoat is worn out; my shirts also are worn out. And I ask to be allowed to have a lamp in the evening; it is indeed wearisome sitting alone in the dark. [At prison in Vilvoorde]
4. I call God to record against the day we shall appear before our Lord Jesus, that I never altered one syllable of God's Word against my conscience, nor would do this day, if all that is in earth, whether it be honour, pleasure, or riches, might be given me.
5. There is no work better than to please God; to pour water, to wash dishes, to be a cobbler, or an apostle, all are one; to wash dishes and to preach are all one, as touching the deed, to please God.
6. Let Christian kings therefore keep their faith and truth, and all lawful promises and bonds, not one with another only, but even with the Turk or whatsoever infidel it be. For so it is right before God; as the scriptures and ensamples [examples] of the Bible testify.
7. For if God be on our side, what matter maketh it who be against us, be they bishops, cardinals, popes, or whatsoever names they will?
8. Christ is with us until the world's end. Let his little flock be bold therefore.
9. The church of Christ is the multitude of all those who believe in Christ for the remission of sins, and who are thankful for that mercy and who love the law of God purely, and who hate the sin in this world an long for the life to come.
10. The Law and the Gospel are two keys. The Law is the key that shutteth up all men under condemnation, and the Gospel is the key which opens the door and lets them out.
Since I was a missionary in Israel I became very familiar with the beliefs of Messianic Jews. Sadlup claimed to be a Messianic Jew. However Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is God and His blood made atonement for our sins and they also believe that Paul's epistles are inspired by God. While Sadlup did not believe that Jesus is God, or our Savior, or that the blood of Jesus made atonement for our sins. Sadlup also didn't believe that Paul's letters were inspired by God since Paul wrote about 20 times that we no longer under the supervision of the OT Laws.
Sadlup has the exact same beliefs as most of the Jewish Rabbei's in Israel. But Sadlup was very unusual since Jews usually don't try to convert born again Christians.
I did pray for Sadlup even though I believed he possibly did commit a NT unpardonable sin as per Revelation 22:18,19 since he **TAUGHT** that Revelation was not inspired by God.
I will repeat Tyndale's quote because I think I need to for future reference...
7. For if God be on our side, what matter maketh it who be against us, be they bishops, cardinals, popes, or whatsoever names they will?
I think I should include SADLUP on the list , so remember that when you want to get post happy with insults. I pray you don't . He is no longer here with us but someone will come along eventually and so since I do not know that person's username , sadlup will be a stand in.
BTW , wasn't it blasphemy against the Holy Ghost that is unpardonable?
Will you at least repent for your treatment of another member and countless others I hear about.?
I tried to lead by example. I just wish I had spoken out sooner before he left. To show I forgive you , I will call you Parrot again.
You said to me once that my post was way too long and you quit reading after 4 lines...
Well, yours was a shocker! that should be in the Guinness book of world records!
Ok, so I read through it...I think.
So even if Lucifer is the planet Venus in Latin, or Nebuchadnezzer ll or his son Belshazzar, he is still BAD for trying to build a temple to the moon god.
He was a bad seed stemming from Cain's bloodline most likely.
I think the modern translations are corrupt teaching that Jesus was cast down.
**WHAT ARE THE PRE-TRIB, POST-TRIB, MID-TRIB AND PRETERIST VIEWS OF THE END TIMES**??
The most popular view is the secret Pre-Tribulation Rapture {About 65 percent} just before a 7-year or 3 1/2 year {1278 days} or 1260-day Great Tribulation of all the Church Saints. And then on the last Day of the Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus all the Tribulation saints and the OT saints will be resurrected and then the lost will be resurrected immediately followed by Judgment Day.
The next most popular is a one time Post-Tribulation Resurrection {About 25 percent} for all the saints on the Last Day of the 7-year 0r 3 1/2 year or 1260-day Great Tribulation, immediately followed by the Resurrection of the lost and Judgment Day. I believe in this Post-Triblation Resurrection after a 1260-day Great Tribulation.
And then there are those {About 5 percent} who believe in a Mid-Trib ot Pre wrath resurrection in the middle of the Great Tribulation followed by a another resurrection on the Last Day, immediately followed by the resurrection of the lost and Judgment Day.
And then there is the Preterist view which believes that **EVERYTHING IN REVELATION and in the Olivet Prophecies in Matthew 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 symbolically took place in the 3 1/2 years between April AD 67 and October AD 70 when Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple was completely destroyed by the Roman army. Nero Caesar who was *666* gave the order in April AD 67 to make war against Israel who had rebelled against their Roman rulers. But Nero Caesar committed suicide in June of AD 67.
However there are many things in the Olivet prophecies and Revelation which contradict the Preterist view as follows:
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus says, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him {See Matthew 24:29-31 above}. He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father, take your inheritance the Kingdom prepared for you.'... ***THEN*** He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal for prepared for the devil and his angels.' ... Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
You can be absolutely sure that the Resurrection of all of God's saints and the lost and Judgment Day did not take place in October AD 70!!
2 Thessalonians 1:1,6-10: To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians... God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen **WHEN THE LORD JESUS IS **REVEALED** from heaven in **BLAZING GLORY** with His powerful angels {See Matt 24:29-31above}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His might ***ON THE DAY*** He comes to glorified in His saints and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes **YOU** {Thessalonian CHURCH SAINTS**!!}
This Scripture absolutely contradicts the pre-trib belief that a secret silent rapture of the **CHURCH SAINTS** will take place 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the unsaved are judged and sent to hell **ON THE DAY** Jesus is **REVEALED**!! Since the Resurrection of all the Church Saints and the lost are Resurrected on the **SAME LAST DAY**!
"Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky!
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1260 days = 42 months=3 1/2 years
The 3.5-year Ministry of Christ (AD 26-30)
Christ begins His ministry Tabernacles
Tishri 14/15 + seven days of Tabernacles (AD 26).
1150 days later is the Hanukah that Jesus attended (1150 is the prophecy in Dan. 8 that prophesied the coming of Hanukkah!)
Kislev 24/25 + "seven days of lights" (AD 29)
110 or 140 days later, Christ dies on Passover, that is 1260 or 1290 days after he began His ministry
Nisan/Abib 14/15 + seven days of Passover week (AD 30)
Messiah "Cut off" ?
There was no leap month in AD 29, or between AD 26 to 30. Thus, this 3.5-years was 1260-days long, not 1290 days. (Leap months occurred the spring of AD 25 and 31.)
Jesus' warning in Matthew 24:34 that "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" is tied back to his similar warning to the Scribes and the Pharisees that their judgment would "come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:36), that is, during the first century rather than at a future time long after the Scribes and Pharisees had died. The destruction in 70 AD occurred within a 40-year generation from the time when Jesus gave that discourse.
The judgment on the Jewish nation was executed by the Roman legions, "the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (Matthew 24:15).
The nations came against Jerusalem one last time at the second coming after the 3½ (7)-year GREAT TRIBULATION.
**WHAT SHOULD GOD'S SAINTS EXPECT DURING THE 1260-DAY GREAT TRIBULATION WHICH MAY BE EXTREMELY CLOSE**??
According to Revelation 13:5,7,8: The Beast {666} will have authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, **NATION** and language in the world for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days} and everyone whose name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life will worship **666**. **666** is called “THE BEAST” 36 {6x6} times in the book of Revelation.
Question: How will the Beast {666} and His False Prophet gain control of every nation of the world in the first week of the 1260-day Tribulation?? According to Daniel 7:24b a Roman King will subdue 3 kings.
Rev 6:8; “There before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, {666} and Hades {The False prophet who will cause people to go to hell or hades with the mark of 666} was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
NOTE: China, India and Russia are 3 kingdoms that make up a fourth of the earth!
Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints! Revelation 14:12 adds: This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey His commands and remain faithful to Jesus!
Revelation 12:11: They triumphed over him {666}, by the blood of the **LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!
Some of the many eternal rewards for the martyrs like Jesus is that they will be immediately be awake in heaven, receive their new heavenly bodies and are before the throne of God **BEFORE** the Last Day as per Revelation 7:9,14-17 and Revelation 15:1-4!!
NOTE: **666** is called the Beast 36 or **6X6** times in Revelation.
Immediately after miraculously conquering 3 kingdoms or one fourth of the earth 666 will appoint 10 kings who had never before ruled over the 10 most powerful kingdoms of the earth.
Rev 17:12-14: The 10 horns you saw {On 666} are 10 kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will give their authority as kings along with the Beast {666}. They have one purpose and will give their authority to the Beast {666}. They will make war against the Lamb but the Lamb will overcome them {On the Last Day} because He is King of kings and Lord of lords.” {See Rev 19:20,21}
The following 10 powerful nations have **OVER 50% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION** and **ABOUT 70% OF THE WORLD'S MILITARY POWER** and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. Brazil borders every nation in South America except for Chile. Egypt is the university, intellectual and theological center of Islam. And then 666 will have “Authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in the evil city on 7 hills or Rome. The idea that 666 will choose a European Union of 10 nations with about 5 % of the world's population and about 10 % of the world's military power to control the world just because these nations are close to Rome is just an idea which is not supported by God's Word.
Revelation 13:14-17: “He {The False Prophet-Pope Francis??} will deceive the inhabitants of the earth. He will order them to set up an image in honor of the Beast {666} who was wounded by the sword {On June 9th AD 68} and yet lived {Nero Caesar?}. He will have power to give breath to the image of the first Beast {666}, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”
“He also forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {NERO CAESAR?} or the number of his name 666!”
Since these 2 world-wide laws: To worship the statue of 666 {Possibly on TV} or be killed; and not being able to buy or sell anything; there will be a huge falling away among most of the people who claim to be Christians but are not the called, the chosen and the faithful. Moses and Elijah will begin their 1260-day testimony {Rev 11:3} 3 1/2 days before the coming of 666 & the 1260-day Great Tribulation and 1263 1/2 days before the Last Day. {***THE FIRST END-TIME EVENT***} Moses and Elijah will warn us of the coming of 666 & his False Prophet.
In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 1260-day Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by all nations **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful} who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.” Rev 2:10: Jesus says, “Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the Crown of Life!”
God will miraculously take care of His Faithful and Courageous Tribulation Saints {Just as he took care of the Israelites for 40 years in the Wilderness} even though they won’t be able to buy or sell anything as per Rev 13:17a. {See Matthew 6:25-34 where storing up items are forbidden} There are a few Post-Tribbers such as Jim Bakker who are wrongly teachinng that we should store up at least a year's supply of food for the Great Tribulation which is a direct contradiction to God's Word in Matthew 6:31-34.
Matthew 6:31-34: Jesus says, “Do not worry, saying, “What shall we eat?” or “What shall we drink?” or “What shall we wear?” For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first His Kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own!”
**JESUS SAYS DO NOT WORRY WHAT TO SAY WHEN YOU ARE BROUGHT TO TRIAL DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION**!!
Luke 21:12-15: Jesus says, "They will put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of My name. And so you will bear testimony to Me. But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. For I will give you words and wisdom, that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. Mark 13:11 adds: Jesus says, "Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the **HOLY SPIRIT**!"
**666 AND HIS FALSE PROPHET AND OTHER FALSE PROPHETS WILL PERFORM GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS THAT WILL ALMOST DECEIVE GOD'S ELECT**!!
Revelation 13:13,14: The False Prophet will perform great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. Because of the signs he will be given power to performon behalf of the Beast {666}, he deceived the inhabtants of the earth!
2 Thessalonians 2:9,10: The coming of the Lawless One {666} will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved.
Matthew 24:24,25: Jesus says, "False messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time!"
