Author	Thread: Logic vs. Spirit II
Admin	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 2 Apr, 2011 08:33 AM Did you hear what the man, said about the man that trys to communicate spiritual things being logical, or employing logic in understanding spiritual matters. Logic is like a log in the eye you see, or do you really see with the log in the eyes. Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. One more thought how is it that logic, a product of the mind is any greater after a man is saved than before he is saved. For the bible does teach the word of God is believed with the heart and as it is received in the heart it grows. By the way when the bible speaks of faith, bible faith is of the heart, the spirit of man!!! Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:05 AM ET - LSU, is not logic deductive and indeductive reasoning and conclusion as to what makes it a truth or non truth, or possiblity or or not? Ryan - Logic does not rely on man's reasoning or ability to explain things. The mind doesn't produce logic, reality does. ET - How then does logical reasoning fit in with God's truth if you are unable to give a logical reason as to the answers of the two questions? Ryan - This is where the breakdown in this discussion keeps occurring. I've not said man can explain everything with reasoning. I've simply said that God's truth is logical. That's a reality. We need to get away from from the talk about reasoning and agree that God's truth is logical and consistent. Logic requires no proof of it's existence. Just like time or space require no proof. It would be foolish to attempt to disprove the existence of time or space just as it would be to try to disprove the existence of logic. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:07 AM GodsJude - *** Go back to Genesis 3:1-6...satan through his Logic...Convinced....Eve...that it is...OK...to eat of the Forbidden Fruit... Ryan - Where are you getting that he convince Eve with logic? I think you mean reason. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:11 AM For instance, God said if they eat the fruit of the tree they will die. That's logical because God determines that. It's a reality, it's true. Satan told Eve they wouldn't die. That's not logical. The reality is, they would die if they ate of it. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:28 AM Now who Dancing ???...:laugh:...I give Clear Scripture from the Beginning and its Dismissed...WHY ???...:rolleyes:...Is not Reason part of Logic ???...As per my posted Difinition of Logic above,...Logic is the Science of " Correct Reasoning "...You are Seeking Any Other Reason than Biblical...Maybe it would be Wiser to Study Biblical Theology rather than the Science of Logic... Jesus speaking ~ John 8:43~ " Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word."...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:39 AM You say it was dismissed. I say it was explained. GodsJude - Is not Reason part of Logic ???...As per my posted Difinition of Logic above Ryan - As I said logic exists apart from reasoning. It's logical that time and space exists, however can you give the reasoning behind it? Just because you can't doesn't make it any less logical. "Reason is the relative ability to manipulate correctly the laws of logic to arrive at valid conclusions. While the laws of logic are absolute, our ability to use them are not. This skill varies from person to person. We all make logic errors. This is not the fault of logic. It is a fault in our abilities. " http://www.smallings.com/LitEng/Essays/NatureOfLogic.html Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:45 AM You Obviously seek other than Biblical...Hold that Thought .... 2 Corinthians 11:3 ~ But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your [ minds ] should be [ corrupted ] from the [ simplicity ] that is in Christ. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:48 AM Alrighty well I think we can agree that this constant back and forth about logic is not productive. So I won't be posting in this thread anymore. Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 11:50 AM LSU, I think the whole thread is confused, and I have been wondering how one can properly discuss the use of a word effectively without a definition of the word by which to use as a guideline and understand what everyone is speaking about. As for my questions, logic would be presumptious and say there is no way God would or could use the foolish or weak to accomplish his task, because it has been a proven fact that the wise and storng are qualified for all task and are more diligent, than the weak and foolish. But God says, He does not use the wise or the strong for His task, but uses the weak and the foolish things to accomplish His work, to confound the wise and the strong, because the weak and the foolish things will obey His perfect will without debate. Logic would say, this must be incorrect becasue it doesn't make sense, how can anything foolish be used to confound or make the wise ashame, so this must be an incorrect notion or mistake, it should say the wise are those who confounds and makes the foolish ashame. Logic would say, it is the strong who confounds the weak, and make them ashamed. But God says He does not use the storng or the wise in their own conceit to do His work... and this is a truth because God says it and He hold the evidence of all His work n His hands.. But Logic is presumptious in its reasoing process to think that this is impossible, because the strong are more powerful than the weak, and the wise are more wiser with knowledge than the foolish.... and on and on... Anyway, I have looked up the defintion of LOGIC. LOGIC (l�j′ik) noun The science of correct reasoning; science which describes relationships among propositions in terms of implication, contradiction, contrariety, conversion, etc. a book dealing with this science correct reasoning; valid induction or deduction: the lack of logic in his scheme, a way of reasoning, whether correct or incorrect: to use faulty logic, the system of principles underlying any art or science necessary connection or outcome, as through the working of cause and effect: the Webster's New World College Dictionary log�ic (lŏjˈĭk) noun The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. a. A system of reasoning: Aristotle's logic. b. A mode of reasoning: By that logic, we should sell the company tomorrow. c. The formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science. Valid reasoning: Your paper lacks the logic to prove your thesis. The relationship between elements and between an element and the whole in a set of objects, individuals, principles, or events: There's a certain logic to the motion of rush-hour traffic. The American Heritage� Dictionary of the English Language, Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 01:12 PM I read and saw this whole post as a waste. i have no idea where to begin. maybe all this is illogical. Where is Mr. Spock when you need him. This is not logical captain. :ROFL: Post Reply
View Profile History	Logic vs. Spirit II Posted : 4 Apr, 2011 04:42 PM :ROFL: so true Dennis, so true:ROFL: Post Reply

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