good word Leee... looks like God is rewarding the fasting, and prayers and reading. good word.:applause::hearts:
I think 2sparrow is trying to hard to ANALYZE God's word, and there is no way this can be done, the analytical process does not work with it comes to undertstanding His word, because the word of God is spiritually discerned and understood by revealtion of the Holy Spirit. Gotta get out of self's thoughts and mind, and into the mind of Christ.
" Gotta get out of self's thoughts and mind, and into the mind of Christ."
"Still can't find the question"
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Ella don't you mean : Gotta get out of self's thoughts and mind, and into the mind of Calvin.?
You also stated 3 times : " Still can't find the question" .........Ella it is the sentence with the "question mark" after it. It is a little half circle drawn to the right, left open on the left with a vertical line and dot exactly like a period below it. (It looks like this = ? )
Hope that helps. Feel free to ask for help in any other difficulties you may be having. I will be happy to assist you.
(KJV) James 1:5~ If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him...:prayingf:...xo
Leon, you shared: "Two, your question is being ignored because it is a trick question. Let me explain, God did not CREATE man to be unable, we BECAME that way in the garden. It was the consequence of sin, not our design, that caused the problem."
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Leon, my Calvinist brother, I know Calvin was a lawyer, however there are no "trick questions" in the spiritual only trick answers.
Cor 3:14, it is from God. However you reply does not answer the question: Does man have the innate ability to respond to the Holy Spirit after the fall?
As I said, "No trick questions....just trick answers" Your answer using the Titus verse is a good example : Yes, we are saved because Gods great mercy, (trick answer). Again : Does man, after the fall, who was created in the image of God still retain a innate ability to respond to the Holy Spirit (not a trick question).
Leon, Ella, Sir James, Tulip and any I missed :
Please quit playing games, I am weary of this. Do you or do you not have a Scriptural answer to the following question or not?
Does man, after the fall, who was created by God still retain a innate ability to respond to the Holy Spirit.
*Instructions : You must provide me with a scripture(s) that UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIES THE POSSIBILITY.
If you can't do it, then honestly, what do you expect of me?.......
If man will not seek God, he cannot accept Him. You have been shown the scriptures. You are the one playing games. Show me one clear scripture, without explanations, that shows the rapture. Show me the word bible. Neither of those are in scripture, they are determined through reasoning the scriptures. Your question is an attempt to remove attention from the fact that free will cannot be reconciled to all of scripture.
Jesus and Paul taught election clearly. Why do we have to be given a new heart if we can come to God without it? Why couldn't God find a single person seeking Him or doing good? Why did Jesus say not everyone could come to Him?
Leon, How can I say this?......You have proved 5 point Calvinism is no more scriptural than man's ideas on the rapture.
Btw Leon, you only see Calvinism and Arminianism because you come from a Calvinistic perspective, you fail to recognize other possibilities for example: Hybrid Free Will or if you prefer "Hybrid Election" Take a stroll outside your box. God is omnipresent; More of Him exists outside the box than inside.
ggggrrrrrrrr...2sparrow, you think you're TOOOO cute:boxing: ...I still don't see the question. What page is it on, and don't give me one of your smart answers:ROFL::excited:
Yes, get into the mind of Christ, its not about Calvin, its about GOD'S SALVATION PLAN FOR MAN, if you're to
understand what it means by total depravity... nothing more can be said outside of what the scriptures that are posted. Man has no righteousness of his own, man has nothing on his own, not even capable of havong anything on his own outside of God.
For GOD SO LOVED the world, that HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON....why did God have to give HIS SON TO SAVE MANKIND?... SO THAT WHOSOEVER (the whosoevers are youand me, and ALL SINNERS) ... so that if and when WE SHOULD BELIEVE IN HIM (JESUS) WE WILL NOT should not PERISH ...IF MAN IS NOT TOTALLY DEPRAVED, WHY WOULD MAN BE ABLE TO PRESIH?... But would have EVERTLASTING LIFE ( WHO gives eternal life? Man or God?. ... so is man his own propitiation? or was Jesus our propitiation... WHY WAS ALL THIS NECESSARY FOR JESU TO BE OUR PORPITIATION IF MAN COULD SAVE HIMSELF AND WAS NOT TOTALY DEPRAVED? IF MAN IN NOT TOTALLY DEPRAVED? WHY WOULD GOD NEED A PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.
Again, this is not about Calvin, this about understanding why it was the you were saved from hell, and why it was necessary for God to have a salvation plan to bring man BACK into a state of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Man has o righeousness, but we are made righteous before God when you receive Jesus Christ.
Therefore, if you don't understand the spiritual meaning or know the workings of grace, propitiation, and righteousnss, you will not comprehend how it is that this means man is depraved ( unable to save himslef or do anything outside of God's divine intervention, unable to please God. Even as a born again Christin, can you keep the ONE of the Commandments? No! and that's why Jesus came. He took care of our depravaity THEREFORE, THERE IS NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. BUT YOU CAN'T BE IN HRIST AND STILL SINNING... And if you're born again and saved, DO YOU STOILL SIN? YES, BECASUE YOU (GENERIC) ARE TOTLALY DEPRAVED TO DO ANYTHING ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WORKING IN US.
How much more can be said over and over again, the answer to your QUESTION, WHICH I STILL CAN'T FIND... lie within all the scriptures posted and in Ephesians chapters 1-4, and Romans chapters 1-8, and all those scriptures posted within the article.
So muy question is : IS ANYBODY READING UP IN HERRRR???!:dancingp::yay::nahnah:
"Please quit playing games, I am weary of this. Do you or do you not have a Scriptural answer to the following question or not?
Does man, after the fall, who was created by God still retain a innate ability to respond to the Holy Spirit.
*Instructions : You must provide me with a scripture(s) that UNEQUIVOCALLY DENIES THE POSSIBILITY.
If you can't do it, then honestly, what do you expect of me?......."
James replies:
I already gave scriptures that say that man does NOT HAVE THE ABILITY. I will do this again, and please read them slowly....
(1 Corinthians 2:14) "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Got that? Natural man CAN NOT know the things of the Spirit of God.
(John 3:3) "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Got that? Natural man can not know or see the Kingdom of God.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
So, I think you would have to agree that natural man does not have the ability.
Man is constituted a sinner by his relationship with Adam Psa 51:5; Psa 58:3; Rom 5:18-19 He is therefore unable
1. To do anything good
2. Gen 6:5; Job 15:14-16; Psa 130:3; Psa 143:2; Pro 20:9; Ecc 7:20; Isa 64:6; Jer 13:23; John 3:19; Rom 3:9-12; Jam 3:8; 1John 1:8
To believe in God (or come to him)
3. John 6:44; John 6:65; John 8:43-45; John 10:26; John 12:37-41
To understand the truth
4. John 14:17; 1Cor 2:14
To seek God
Rom 3:10-11
But twosparrows, you also demanded for a verse that says that mankind lost the Ability because of the Fall....
Here it is:
Gen 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Now, if you remember, Adam and Eve did NOT die physically on that day. They died SPIRITUALLY that day.
And notice HOW MANY TIMES in the New Testament, that mankind is presented as "dead in sins" etc.
Eph 2:1-3 And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were BY NATURE the children of wrath, even as others.
Col 2:13 And you, being DEAD in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
