"sheperdingking you are a servant of the devil. There is a heavy price to pay for deceiving the young and I assure you that unless you repent you shall surely pay it."
Itasca:
I moved your comment to biblical discussion and need to know what you call a false teacher? Is this in response to my quote of 1 Tim 4 that false teachers say divorced people should not be allowed to remarry. I do not label false teachers or a " servant of the devil" if they merely disagree with my views.
The bible doesn't really say either way, but I think God is fair and I don't think He changes His conduct toward His creation. If He was willing to offer His Son on the cross for degenerate sinners, then I'm sure He would have done the same for angels. We were created a little lower than the angels after all.
@Ella. I appreciate the support. And you are right that we shouldn't tippy-toe around the issues for fear of being politically INcorrect. However, sometimes I have a tendency to get a little too passionate and say things that are a pinch...intense? :laugh: I think that is part of how it is with Itasca as well. It's just that when it manifests itself as anger, I do not believe that is Biblical. But you are right that we should not be afraid to speak out when we see things that are not going the right direction.
@Everyone. I was saying shepherd's LIE (regarding divorce for whatever reason being fine) was from the pit of hell, not shepherd himself lol. He was created by God just like the rest of us. I also said he was either a deceiver/liar and/or himself deceived by satan, allowing for the possibility that he is a Christian, just a very misguided one, twisting scripture to fit his own desires. This is undeniable if you read some of his posts. Being a Christian means dying to yourself and all your fleshly desires and being born again through Christ Jesus and letting His will and desires for us guide us. That is the purpose of the Holy Spirit being sent to us.
@Dennis and Itasca (and anyone else who has been arguing about spiritual gifts and experiences). Everyone has different giftings in the Holy Spirit. Certainly there are people who have not accepted or received these gifts yet, but just because it hasn't shown through a physical manifestation does not mean the Holy Spirit is not upon someone. For example, one of my spiritual gifts is hospitality. Hospitality doesn't make you fall on the floor and shake uncontrollably or things like that, and I have seen this happen to whole groups of people. I have been in a room where I was the only one who did not have this happen. River said somewhere in the forums that these things can happen to individuals as part of the Holy Spirit coming upon them, but when it's a whole group it isn't always truly from the Holy Spirit. I think sometimes these things happen because we conceive of them in our own minds. Also, sometimes God uses us to manifest a gift that is not one of our own, but His purpose is for something to happen and we will temporarily be gifted with something that is not our "norm" so to speak. For example, I have been bestowed the gift of healing on a couple of occasions, but it is not something I have all the time. It was simply God's will that these things be healed, and I was the one there whom He decided to use. But whatever your gift(s) are, they are what God's purpose for you is. It doesn't have to be something like being "slain in the spirit" which is not something I believe in anyway. When people fell on their faces in the Bible, it was out of fear. And the angels who appeared to them, and even Jesus when He appeared to Abram and Sarai to rename them Abraham and Sarah and promise them a son, told them to STAND UP and to not be afraid. I could be wrong about being "slain in the spirit" not being a Biblical concept, but I believe that instead, the Holy Spirit manifests Himself through the gifts we are given, and for some people speaking in tongues. I do believe that sometimes He does come upon our lives in such a way that we are reduced to sobbing in a good way, which has happened to me, but I do not fall backwards because a pastor comes along and "touches" (if you've ever seen it, they actually push a little) me on the forehead. Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject.
@Mark. You make a good point, but lies are from satan. Pure and simple. That doesn't necessarily make that particular person a servant of satan. They could be in error like you say. "The righteous man sins seven times a day." No one is infallible. Romans says that as well. And there are many examples in the Bible of godly men and women making mistakes, sometimes grave mistakes. David was guilty of adultery (Bathsheba) and murder (Uriah, Bathsheba's husband). Just because David didn't kill Uriah face to face does not mean he was not the murderer. He was king and abused his power to command that Uriah be put in a dangerous position and then have his men all step back so that he would be vulnerable, knowing full well that Uriah would be killed. That is murder. Not to mention, Jesus says murder starts in the heart, and you are just as guilty if it's in your heart as you are if you actually commit it. I think most of us have been guilty of this a time or too :laugh: So you are correct that sometimes we condemn people who may be merely mislead, but that does not make their views and lies any less from satan.
@shepherd. Just because God does not command that the young people who had sex outside of marriage be killed does not mean that it is not wrong. As far as marriage goes, you can't just say, "we're married," and hop into bed together. Also, the Bible clearly says that marriage is between one man and one woman. I can't think of the references off hand, but I have recently read them. If you are in question as to what Jesus says about divorce, I put the references as well as the verses in one of the forums where this debate got so heated. You said, "I know the traditional teachings on the matter but new evidence has given me light on the hard to understand parts." God says that we are not to add to the Word. Read 1 Timothy 1 and Revelation 22:18-19. There is no such thing as "new evidence" that could add to or take away from the Word of God. This would include modification. Modification does BOTH taking away and adding. Please please please read this. Also as far as the disciples saying marriage was "not such a good thing," Peter was married. You did say they were sometimes incorrect, but at least one, if not all, of them was married. That, again, being Peter. There is mention of his mother-in-law being sick and dying. I also have seen the house in which she lived when I was in Israel. Paul said it was better to not be married, but that it was better to be married than to burn with passion (lust/desire to have sex). Why? Because sex outside of marriage is WRONG.
Opp's, sorry I thought I was on the marriage thread. But forbidding young people to marry in latter times is a characteristic of the false teaches, 1 Timothy 4:2.
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Do all of you think you delighting the Lord or delighting you selfs? May I suggest staying in the word than seeking foolish things!
Proverbs has much to say about fools. They despise wisdom (Proverbs 1:7, 22, 10:21, 23:9); they are right in their own eyes (Proverbs 12:15); they are deceitful (Proverbs 14:8) and scornful (Proverbs 10:23, 14:9). The wise are also given instruction on how to deal with fools in Proverbs. Instructing a fool is pointless because his speech is full of foolishness (Proverbs 15:2, 14) and he does not want wisdom and understanding (Proverbs 18:2).
