Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 28 Jul, 2010 10:15 PM
Mr. Row, Thank you for your clarification. It was an honorable act to respond graciously. I thank you again.
Ella my sister and friend, You should know me well enough by now to know that I will stand for what I think is right and against what I think is wrong. I've seen people driven from the forums due to unnecessary personal attacks. I sincerely do appreciate MrRow's response. With that my dear, you did not call MrRow paranoid, angry, hostile and jealous on my behalf. If you would ordinarily ignore posts similar to the one above, you should have continued to do so. My post was not about the subject matter or taking sides but about all of us continuing to treat each other respectfully.
It is my opinion that quite often on this particular forum, people get so emphatic about stating their case that they forget how they sound and that they are being observed by more people than the posters themselves. How would Jesus feel about the words that we address to others that He died for as surely as He died for us? I am His beloved, but so is the next Christian no matter how misguided I may personally feel that person is. If we could physically see the "seal" of the Holy Spirit, would we think twice before some of our words pass our lips.
Please Ella, you know I love you. As iron sharpens iron, lets make each other better, not diminish each other.
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 29 Jul, 2010 08:12 AM
Rose,
I say again, thank you for speaking out on my behalf, and Please know that I never considered you as choosing sides. For me, speaking out on my behalf means that you knew when to step in on time, when you saw there could have been a possible collision. In otherwords, you cooled down the waters....
Your words are well taken, and I appreciate you as my sister and friend, because I know I can depend upon you for my check and balance, and that's a good thing...even if you're off the hook at times...:ROFL:...
As you know, there is a time and season for ALL things, a time to speak and a time to keep silent, and this was my time and season to speak, therefore, I spoke, and I feel very comfortable in knowing I am without any regrets.
God bless you, and God bless you as well Row... so lets move on to the next post and topics :dancingp::hearts::peace:
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 29 Jul, 2010 04:36 PM
Friends The disciples came to jesus and said we heard a man preaching in your name, we told him to stop.What did jesus say???????
Well, he said," he who speaks in my name is for us.Do not stop them."
We are not to speak against somebody who speaks the truth of the gospel. if we disagree with them maybe we should pray about it before we respond.
Mr.Row was a little harsh in his words.He has a right to disagree but not be a wiseguy. He has spoken out against the way I believe in speaking in tongues and was quite rude about it.he backed off after I said I believe in the way he was attacking.He seems to do a lot of writting without thinking. God wants us to be kind to each other not insulting. We are to speak in love to each other.
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 29 Jul, 2010 08:12 PM
Let me ask this. How many of you women have raised up a man that would qualify to be a preacher? Or you older women have you admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed? If women would quit worrying about what the men are doing or not doing and did what they were commanded to do we would have tons of qualified men to be leaders for the church, and this nation!!!
ET you sure do assume a lot!
(1) WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR GOD LATELY?
I lead an inductive bible study for my church among other things.
(2) HOW MANY SOULS HAVE YOU WON FOR CHRIST TODAY, YESTERDAY, THIS WEEK, OR THIS MONTH, EVEN THIS YEAR?
Don't know! Only God knows! I do plant seeds, water, and harvest by witnessing regularly.
You think I am angry & hostile, you really have no clue what I am. I'll will admit I do come across harsh on these forums sometimes, but that is not my heart.
I feel no need to go on so this is all I am going to address.
The name of this thread is: Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer... plain and simple answer, no. If Christian men and women would stick to the roles GOD has laid out for us we ALL do better.
BTW I think higher education is great for everyone! Got a little myself. Don't assume you know me by what's on my profile.
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 30 Jul, 2010 08:04 PM
I'm back! Sorry, went on a camping trip. Anyway, I think I've said my piece about the topic, but just a couple more things in response...
I'm not sure we can add to the story of the garden of Eden too much. The bible doesn't say Adam "went away" and left Eve in charge. From my reading of the account, I always imagined Eve getting distracted with her work and wandering away from Adam, then suddenly realizing she was near the tree, but the bible doesn't say.
Rachel was not "without a man". The flock was her fathers. Jacob had to work for 14 years to gain her hand in marriage from her father.
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 31 Jul, 2010 12:37 PM
:ROFL:... hope you enjoyed your camping trip. Or was that Dennis who went camping? lol...anywayzzzz
Sorry, couldn't let you have the last word on this, got points to bring forth, but the next word is your's:yay:
look, It was Adam's duty as Eve's husband to tell her the rules God had given to him, but Adam didn't give her the message, nor was Adam in charge of his household as he should have been, as HEAD of the garden, the positon and place God placed in his authority. When the devil knocked on the door, Adam should have been the one who answered, and had he been in control as he should have... even if Eve had wandered off too far from home and gone shopping at the garden shopping mall, had Adam already told Eve what God had said, she would have been aware. Plus, Adam still should have been in watch over her going in and coming out.BUT, NO, instead Adam was sitting back on the couch watching the "bears & the alligator's football game"... and when he got caught, he blamed God and the woman, but he is the one who was NOT paying attention to Eve's whereabouts!:ROFL::bow:
Regarding Rachal, Here we will find the principle of what I have been speaking about: Rachal was in charge of her father's flock, she had the covering of her father as head of the houshold over her. And when Jacob came along, she sat down, and allowed Jacob to be in charge. Which agrees with what I have been saying all along; You must look at this through spirutual eyes, and not your own personal views. After all God's thoughts are not our thoughts, nor are His ways our ways, and God will not allow anyone to stop His work. Doesn't matter who He has decreed in authority, He will use whomever He pleases to get the work done in a orederly and timely manner. He'll use a chicken if He has to:eat:...after all He makes the laws, and can change or remake them according to His will, He is soveregin and doesn;t need man's or the devil's permission :rocknroll:
If there is not a qualified man in charge over a church, and there is a woman who qualifies to be in charge as a pastor, she is to take charge, until a qualified man comes along. After which, she is to take her place and allow the man to be in authority. Remember, there were no men in the family, so Rachal had to be in charge of the flock. Rachal's father is representive of Christ being the head of the church, and is the covering by which the church abides. Therefore, a woman who is in charge of a church, until a man comes along is therefore covered by Christ to carry on with the business of the church. Rachal's father becomes her authority and covering as her head, just as Christ is the covering and head of the church regardless whoman or woman is in charge of the church. Christ is still the head and authority.
BWT, it doesn't matter how long Jacob had to work to get her as his wife, we're talkig about roles and positions and principles of how GOD works to fulfill His plans, and His purposes according to His will. Rachal's father could have been head over his own flock, or even hired another man to be in charge, but this was not in God's plans or according to His divine will or purposes, so we find Rachal a woman who back then was not allowed to be working in such a position that was known for men ONLY, but she is now as the first woman shepherdess caring for a flock of sheep. I rest my case...:zzzz:
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 31 Jul, 2010 04:19 PM
Gen 3:1Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Adam did tell her, apparently. Or God did. Anyway...I'm still not sure where you're getting this stuff from. I don't think it's me that is reading my personal beliefs into the bible. But either way, I think it's mostly a misunderstanding. I believe that as long as a woman does not take the position or title of "elder/overseer/bishop/leader" then she can "tend the flock" as much as she wants, and I'm pretty sure I've said that. I believe women can prophesy, teach, preach, witness from the scriptures, but to place a woman at the head of the church is not biblical and it is not what God prescribes. There are no examples of women being the spiritual leaders of the church. There were no female priests, no female elders, no female apostles, no female husbands. If God wanted it the way that you think He does, I believe He would have made it clear in His word. Anyway. I'm stepping out of this debate, you may have the last word:winksmile:.
Biblically:Is a woman qualified to being an Elder-Pastor-Bishop-Overseer..
Posted : 25 Aug, 2010 01:14 PM
No, a woman is not qualified to be an elder/pastor/ shepherd of a flock of believers.
There are very specific requirements for those positions and women, whether we "like" it or not, cannot be a pastor. That doesn't mean that God has not given women many spiritual gifts, or that they cannot teach other women or even young children. As a matter of fact, women should actively seek to teach their children how to walk with Christ. Nor does it mean that a woman is not spiritually fit to be a pastor- she, no matter who she is, just cannot be the husband of one wife. All the qualifications must be met.. not just a few.
The role of leadership, of spiritual leader within a local body and within a household has been given to men, for they are the head of the woman and the head of the man is Christ. I do think, however, that many many men do not will not, or cannot step up into this role. And because of whichever it is, the entire family suffers for it.
