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Admin	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 4 Jun, 2010 11:21 AM Hi everyone I just want to clarify what I think this thread is for.I would welcome everyones veiws.I beleive this thread is for discussing theological issues and to intelligently and civilly debate points that we disagree on. It is not for someone to just come on and tell everyone else their wrong,obviouslly we know people have differences of opinion and theology,we should be able to make our points logically,without emotion. Also Im kind of tired of the,why cant we all just get along thing.I dont hate people who disagree with me,but I will state my beleifs(and back them up with scripture,articles from wiser men than I. If someone doesnt like discussing theology there are many other threads,I happen to love it,I find deep theological issues to be intoxicating! Oh well,just some thoughts In Christ steve P.S.we can respect each other,and even love each other and have meaningful,grownup debates. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 11:28 AM ok, Mark you used the proper scriptures for how a person must be save, except you left out the MOST IMPORTANT message of Roman chpater 10: Verse 8, BEFORE, the process of salvation can even began to take place: The word is near you, even in your mouth, and in your heart, THAT IS, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach. There can be no salvation without FAITH, and FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING , AND HEARING, AND HEARING , AND HEARING AND HEARING THE WORD OF GOD! Whether you are hearing the word through the reading of ,it or hearingthe voice of God through the Holy Spirit in your spirit warning and calling you to Himself, or hearing someone teach or preach it, there MUST be FAITH in order to believe. I would like to know how Ezekiel chapter 33 starting at verse 11, as you have posted plays into a person being saved and always saved? Maybe you can share with us your exposition of these passages as they relate to salvation... Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 11:40 AM Oh, I forgot, maybe you're of the belief that a person CAN lose their salvation, and you're using Ezekiel chapter 33 to prove your point... nevertheless, an exposition either way I think is necessary, because I would like to udnerstand how this passage relates and fits into once saved always saved, or how this passage proves that we are NOT saved to be always saved in Christ Jesus.. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 01:14 PM ET thanks for giving us that chapter in Ezeckel. will read it as I have always used others.Yes, I do believe you can lose your salvation. To address a different statment about divorace. PJ my x wife left me and told me it was nothing I did. She did not want to be with me anymore.That was her choice not mine. She even said I had treated her good. I was blameless. Dennis Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 01:30 PM That is my point and so it is with God and Man, the father will not make man stay faithful to the covenant it is his choice. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 01:56 PM Het Mark Sorry, but I only repeated what the scripture Mark had posted on page 4. I was trying to see if he was using this passage to refute once saved always saved, or if he was using it in agreement. Also, you prove my point and hopeflly make things clear about once saved always saved. You stated that there was nthing you did for your wife to leave you, she just jumped up and left. ,,,I suppose she fell out of love. Changed her mind... Well, how can a person FALL OUT OF LOVE or change thier mind and leave a marriage? Glad you ask ET, there is no way possible for this to happen, IF THE PERSON WAS IN LOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. You can't fall out of love or change your mind about love IF YOU'RE IN LOVE... Same with salvationn. You can't loses your salvation if you're SAVED IN THE FIRST PLACE! You may have a FORM of godliness and THNBIK you have salvation, as Jesus says, if you THINK you have salvation, you better read the scriptures and examine yourself by the scriptures... There is nothing in God's word that tells us we can lose our salvation if we are truly born again, totally sold out to Christ... not one scripture. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 02:04 PM WOW! What a low view of God and high view of man you 2 have. You give man way to much credit! You are saying God can't keep those that are His? What a weak and helpless god that must be. That is not the God I know from the Bible and worship!!! Marriage is the allegory the bible uses but don't get confused and reverse what the meaning is about. Marriage is suppose to be a life time commitment but because of man's harden sinful heart that is not always the case. Don't error by smashing in your presupposition into the text. So you 2 have to keep working and baring the heavy yoke to keep your salvation??? Interesting and sad. I am so thankful and glad mine was bought and paid for completely on the cross by Jesus and is "sealed" by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption and doesn't "depend" on any works by me. Justification is done in Heaven by God. Sanctification is done on earth by God with man working together but God getting all the credit and glory for the sanctified life. I believe some can be "self" sanctified and blend in with other Christians (tares) and will fall away meaning they never were justified in the first place. A drug addict can clean his life up and live responsibly but that doesn't mean he is justified before God. ET has it right. Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 02:55 PM Galatians 3:1-5 (NIV) 1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing�if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard? Different application in the passage than to what we're discussing here... but I think the general concept is the same: We are saved because of what Christ did, not because of what we do. And we are empowered to do good works through the Holy Spirit; it's never really us giving anything to God because it is His Spirit that empowers us in the first place. And that doesn't change post-salvation... It doesn't suddenly become this thing where we have to observe the law to maintain our salvation. It's faulty "logic" to think that God gives us salvation but then abadons us and forgets what was done on the cross on our behalf, and decides to unjustify us and start judging us by our observation of the law (or rather, our lack thereof). Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 04:40 PM Great point Pixy!! That just so happened to be part of last weeks Bible study. The comparison to Abraham comes up in the same chapter, that he believed and it was credited to him as righteousness. Abraham was chosen by God and though Abraham's made many mistakes God never wavered on His promise. If God promises to save us if we believe He can not lie or break His Word. It never had anything to do with us keeping it. We could not anyway. And that gives me a GREAT deal of comfort in my Lord and Savior!!! The thought that I could lose my salvation would just terrify me, I would have to lock myself in a room afraid, wishing for a quick death so I do not do anything to be unjustified. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 06:42 PM But...DG's wife loved him enough at one point to marry him. I would use the stony/thorny ground example. People that hear and accept the word...and do actually love and believe in Jesus...just not enough. So my point still is...how do you know which you are? Because in the last days, Jesus will say "I never knew you" to people that have been doing miracles in His name. I do believe in "once saved, always saved"...I just think it's...hypocritical or something...to say that there are people that just "think" they are following Christ, and then say...in the same breath..."I am saved! I know for sure!" There is no question that God knows who will be justified....but do you know? Anyway...our beliefs start to differ widely on these points...I just think that we don't need to worry about how "saved" someone is, because we don't know. I think God leads people to Him from everywhere...and we should have no business guessing at who is coming to Him or at which step in the process of salvation they're on. God only knows. :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	What is the purpose of this thread? Posted : 7 Jun, 2010 08:39 PM Mark I agree with you but the question is not about knowing if someone is saved and being able to point them out but can you be saved and lose it. Post Reply

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