Author	Thread: The Law Abolished??
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 22 Jul, 2009 12:45 PM I was reading another forum post and it got me a little stirred up. Just wanted to throw something in here....the pharisees didn't just have the ten commandments....they had their own "pharisee" law that they were making up as they went(I think those were the laws Jesus was talking about...straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel), they had the laws of Moses...the one kept beside the ark of the covenant, on the outside...and written on a scroll(doesn't sound permanent does it? Deut. 31:23-29, and Col 2:14). The old testament Jewish nation had a direct covenant with God. God lived with them. They made some pretty strict laws because God cannot tolerate sin in His presence. They had a sacrificial system(and they kinda forgot this part), that pointed to the messiah and his work. When Jesus came and died, they didn't need to have all the sacrificial system stuff anymore right? Type had met anti-type. However, God's ten commandment law was inside the golden ark, written on stone(sounds precious and permanent). It wasn't for the Jews only. You could see it at the beginning...in the Garden of Eden. He created the 7th day "sabbath" before He wrote the ten commandments down(if you read Gen. 2:1-4 and Exodus 20:11, they're almost the same...) . Cain was an outcast because he committed murder. This was before Jewish people existed. Back when they were just...human. I believe the Ten Commandment law is God's character, interpreted in a way that we could understand it in human terms...and so we could know what sin is, and try to avoid it(Rom. 7:7, Rom. 3:20.) Anyway...long story short...I believe that the "laws and ordinances nailed to the cross"(Col. 2:14, Eph. 2:15) were the "Laws of Moses" that WERE only for the Jews(look at how much Paul preaches against forcing "circumcision", and "not eating food offered to idols", and so on...those are in the mosaic law, not the ten commandments), and the laws concerning the sacrificial system, Jewish holy days, and the prophets that pointed to Jesus, which He fulfilled(Matt. 5:17-19). I don't think it was the Ten Commandments. Later on in Matthew 5(verse 20 and on) he talks about several of the commandments and He says "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment" and "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Now I don't know about you...but keeping the spirit of the law sounds harder then just keeping it! And...I don't think it's possible for anyone to keep it perfectly. If it was, Jesus wouldn't have had to die. But I do think we're supposed to try. I don't think the ten commandments are any less important then God's own character...and I don't think they are any less invincible...it's just what I believe...don't take my word for it, look it up. You might even read 3 verses before and after the texts I gave to make sure it's in context. And then let's have a discussion!:yay: :peace::peace: Here's a few more random ones I found. 1 JOHN 5:3 JAM. 2:10-12 PSALMS 19:7 LUKE 16:17 ...and part of the reason I'm bringing this up is because I find these conversations strange...help me out. Me: Do you think we should pray to the sun? Answer: What? No! Are you a freak? Me: Do you think we should make or worship Idols? Answer: No! Me: Do you think we should take the name of God in vain? Answer: No way! Me: Do you think we should honor our father and mother? Answer: Yes! As long as what they ask doesn't go against God! Me: Do you believe stealing is wrong? Answer: Definitely! Me: Murder bad? Answer: Oh yeah! Very bad! Life is precious! Me: Adultery? Answer: It's not right to abuse your sacred marriage vows! It's just wrong! Me: Bear false witness? Answer: Horrible! Even gossip and white lies are bad! Me: Thou shalt not covet?? Answer: It's Bad! Evil! Sin! Me: Should we remember the seventh day to keep it holy? Answer: *Insert your answer here* (The answer I get the most is "No, we're not under the law, it was done away with at the cross. Now we keep Sunday, to honor the Lord's resurrection." Or, "Everyday is my sabbath".) Me: .................... Help.:prayingm: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 2 Aug, 2010 05:19 AM I am keeping the 4th commandment, the one from the Bible, becouse if I can keep other 9 I can keep that one also, and it is commandment from God, not from the people, who do we obay? And I am under grace, not under the law! God bless, let Holy Spirit talk to you about it. Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 11 Oct, 2010 11:43 PM We are to keep the Saturday Sabbath for it is the day Yahweh set up when Yahushua made the world and the universe. We are not to add or take away from yahweh's word or actions or character. It was constantine (a pagan) who changed the day to sunday to honor his god=solaris the sun god. It was the ordinances that were nailed to the cross. Not the law! The law schools us and shows us how to please Yahweh the father! The ordinances were against us and qualified us to hell. Thank you Yahushua for making a way for us to escape this sentence! As far as the law we are all under it as believers because not one jot or tittle was taken away til it was fulfilled by Yahushua. However we have to stay in Him (1 John 1 vs 7 in principle) then 1 john vs 9 so that his blood cleanes us from all sin so we can't go practicing willful sin and never repent for it or we will be a debtor to the whole law and thereby put ourselves under the law again by being lawless= a worker of iniquity. Also see james 4 vs 4 we will be an idolator= a spiritual adulterer. In essence the one who says they're not under the law but only believes ( mental acknowledgement) on his name and doesn''t live holy according to the 10 commandments is under the law. The one practicng them proves to Yahushua that they love him and bears fruit thereby and proves Yahshua gives them life connecting them to himself the vine which has life and gives the branches his life. The ones that don't bear fruit he cast them forth as branches which will be gathered by the angels and burned. I COULD TAKE THIS MUCH DEEPER BUT FOR THE SAKE OF SPACE AND TIME I AM WILLING TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE VERSES TO PROVE THIS! Hope this answers somewhat. Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 11 Oct, 2010 11:47 PM None. Hebrews 10 vs 26 warns us not to go on willfully sinning. Well said! We have to stay in covenant with messiah by being obediant to his commands to prove we love him. Not to earn our salvation but not to be eliminated by being a worker of iniquity either. Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 11 Oct, 2010 11:51 PM You are right! We just have to stay in Yahushua and He keeps the law for us as our high priest! Inside him we are covered by his blood, but if we are lukewarm and he spits one out they're no longer covered by his blood. Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 12 Oct, 2010 12:08 AM Thats because if we practice the sins of the flesh willfully and habitually without true repentance we will not inherit the kingdom as Paul warned in 1 Corrinthians 6 vs 9-11 and rev 21 vs 8 and Ephesians 5 vs 7-13 and Colossians 2 vs 3-6 Post Reply
Singer4u View Profile History	The Law Abolished?? Posted : 12 Oct, 2010 08:59 PM Well said brother Tony! Post Reply

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