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PROPHETIC 7744 CLAIMS THE EXACT SAME HEBREW IS SPOKEN IN ISREAL THAT IS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 18 Apr, 2020 07:04 PM

But what do professional linguists say??

NOT EXACTLY SAY THE LINGUISTS!!!

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How Different are Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew?



The Revival of Hebrew

The revival of Hebrew as a spoken language in the 19th century is one of those amazing linguistic stories that makes people wonder. How could a religious-cultural group recreate the language of their ancestors and re-adopt it as a mother language after not speaking it for 2000 years? Is that really possible? Well, yes -- they did it. But did they do it perfectly? Of course not. That would be inhuman.



Some people will claim that the language of Israel today is the same as the language of Solomon`s Kingdom…which sounds a little like propaganda. Other people, mostly disgruntled students who had trouble with Biblical Hebrew, claim that it`s a different language entirely. Neither claim is really true.



Hebrew Alphabet

The Hebrew alphabet

I studied both simultaneously (Biblical Hebrew at university, and Modern Hebrew on my own) and I always felt I was learning a single language -- although 2 different varieties. Some people say it`s like an English speaker reading the King James Bible, and I think that`s valid comparison. Reading Biblical Hebrew to me always felt similar to reading that somewhat archaic translation of the Bible in English. You know, it`s clearly English and a lot of it makes sense but there are parts when you understand the words but have no idea what the sentence means because of weird syntax; there are parts when the words have a different meaning than the modern meaning; there are lots of ambiguous sentences that could be understood in very different ways; and there are times when sentences seem to be unfinished and essential information is missing and it`s not clear why. Also, the content can be confusing. Like, why are we suddenly talking about the Moabites with no transition whatsoever?



Biblical Hebrew passage with English translation

Biblical Hebrew is harder to read than the King James Bible for one reason: there is no punctuation. Reading Biblical Hebrew is often like looking at a jumble of words and trying to figure out how they relate to each other grammatically, especially when the sentences are longer. When there is no puncutation, it`s hard to know where one clause finishes and another begins, so you can get lost fairly easily. Modern Hebrew has been standardized in terms of syntax and punctuation, and it`s much easier to look at a sentence and know how the words relate to each other.



If Hebrew was revived, then why is Modern Hebrew different?

Modern Hebrew was “revived” in the 19th century as a spoken language, but it wasn`t like they just took Biblical Hebrew and started speaking it again. They looked at Biblical Hebrew, Mishnaic Hebrew (rabbinic writings from the Talmud) and literary Hebrew from throughout the centuries and tried to create a standard Hebrew language from all of those pieces. But the people who adopted the newly revived Hebrew language weren`t always able to speak the new language the way they intended to, which impacted how the language is spoken today.



Hebrew Newspaper article about the most ancient form of Hebrew



About Hebrew in Hebrew על השפה העברית בעברית

Let`s look at a few aspects of the two forms of Hebrew:



Hebrew Morphology -- the way that words are formed and fit together

Hebrew root letter system melech

An example of the Hebrew root system

This aspect of Modern Hebrew is almost exactly the same as Biblical Hebrew. Hebrew words are mostly derived from 3 consonant roots, and different word types are created by inserting those roots into templates that determine the vowel sounds and surrounding consonants.



In this example there are three root letters at the top that correspond to English m-l-ch



(like the “ch” in German). The first word מלך “melech” means “King”, the second one מלכות “malchuut” means “Kingdom”, and the third one מלך “malach” means “He ruled”.



מלך “Malach” is the 3rd person past tense form of the verb, to which we could add some suffixes to create other past tense forms like מלכתי “Malachti” (I ruled), מלכנו “Malachnu” (We ruled), etc.



I won`t give a full overview here, but just enough to point out that this is exactly the same in both Biblical Hebrew and Modern Hebrew.



Biblical Hebrew vs Modern Hebrew Vocabulary

The core vocabulary of Modern Hebrew comes from Biblical Hebrew. A large majority of simple nouns and verbs -- at least those that existed in the days of the Bible -- are the same. But there are also a lot of words in the Hebrew Bible that are not used in Modern Hebrew, and some that are used differently.



The Bible was obviously written in a very different world from the one we live in today, which means that some Biblical Hebrew are used today to represent a different thing, but a thing that performs the same function. There`s the word ספר (“sefer”) which simply means book in modern Hebrew. In the times of the Bible it was a scroll or parchment with writing on it. It wasn`t an actual bound book…or a Kindle book. 🙂



The classical language`s age means that its vocabulary is very limited. There are around 8,000 Hebrew words in the Bible, while Modern Hebrew has over 100,000 words. Most of those new words are genuinely Hebrew words -- words intentionlly created from Hebrew roots and placed into the Hebrew “templates” I mentioned above, creating a new modern meaning related to the ancient root meaning. A good example is the word for computer, מחשב (“machshev”). It comes from the root letters ח-ש-ב (ch-sh-v), with the meaning of “think”. So you could say that “machshev” literally means something like “Thinking device”.



Hebrew vocabulary has been adjusted and greatly expanded to make it suitable for modern life.



Biblical Hebrew vs Modern Hebrew Syntax

Most languages you know about are probably SVO (subject-verb-object) in syntax, or maybe SOV (subject-object-verb) like Japanese. But Biblical Hebrew was VSO, which is common in Semitic languages.



דיבר האיש אל מאש “diber ha-ish el-moshe” (The man spoke to Moses). Word for word: spoke the man to moses.

Since the languages that most early adopters of revived Hebrew were SVO, Modern Hebrew became SVO. The same sentence in Modern Hebrew:



האיש דיבר אל מאש “ha-ish diber el-moshe”. Word for word: the man spoke to moses.

That`s one major difference. Aside from that, it`s worth noting that Biblical Hebrew shows a lot of variation in syntax and probably contains a lot of mistakes too, which makes it harder to follow.



Modern Hebrew`s syntax has been standardized and is pretty straightforward.



The Biblical Hebrew vs Modern Hebrew Verb system

The conjugations and verb forms are the same in most cases, but the meaning they convey is somewhat different.



In Modern Hebrew, tense is conceptualized in the same way as it is in most Indo-European languages, using past, present, and future. In other words, actions are either before now, now, or after now.



In Biblical Hebrew and other Semitic languages, there are only two tenses: perfect (completed action) and imperfect (incomplete action). People who know Modern Hebrew will sometimes be confused because they see the perfect tense (which looks just like the past tense in Modern Hebrew) and assume that it`s a past action, like “He ate it”. But really it`s a completed action, and depending on the context could be translated as something like “He will have eaten it” -- because at some hypothetical point in the future the action will be complete. Similarly, they may understand the imperfect tense as the future tense, when it actually means something like “He was going to eat it”. These are just examples, and often the tenses do correspond -- but there are differences to be careful of.



Then how is present tense expressed in Biblical Hebrew?



It`s expressed using the imperfect tense, and the participle (similar to “ing” forms in English) is used to show continuous action. The Biblical Hebrew participle becomes the present tense in Modern Hebrew.



Don`t worry if you understand clearly, the main point is that the verb forms look identical but can be misunderstood.



Biblical Hebrew vs Modern Hebrew Pronunciation

Biblical Hebrew these days is usually pronounced with Modern Hebrew pronunciation, so lots of people aren`t aware of how Biblical Hebrew used to be pronounced. It had a lot of sounds that are not present in MH, but are present in Arabic. They`re not present in MH because Hebrew was first revived by Yiddish-speaking Europeans, and I`m sure they tried hard but they just couldn`t easily reproduce some of the original Hebrew sounds, so some of them merged with other sounds or were replaced by approximations. I spent a summer studying Hebrew in Jerusalem, and I found it ironic that the most authentic Hebrew was being spoken as a second language by Palestinians! Because they have all of those sounds in Arabic, and when they speak Hebrew they use them. This is also true of Jews who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries (who are mostly elderly now).



Some example differences:



Hebrew letter ayin-in Biblical Hebrew there was an emphatic glottal stop sound (`ayin), that kind of sounds like you`re vomiting. In Modern Hebrew it becomes a simple glottal stop (meaning you stop your voice by closing your throat). But it`s basically silent when people speak at a natural pace.Hebrew letter khetHebrew letter Het



-in BH there were two sounds (Het and khaf) that merged to become “kh” in MH.



--in BH there were emphatic consonants. For example there was a simple “t” sound (taf) and an emphatic one (Tet) which changes the surrounding vowels.



Hebrew letter taf

Hebrew letters taf

Of course most sounds are similar, and Hebrew speakers are generally aware of the different letters that have merged.



Summing up

There are significant differences, but most literate native speakers of Hebrew can read Biblical Hebrew and understand it. That is partly because of the similarities with Modern Hebrew, but also because most of them study the Bible in school, and if they`re religious then they study the Bible continuously and read Biblical Hebrew on a regular basis. Through exposure they become familiar with the differences.



As a second language learner, I always thought of Biblical Hebrew as archaic and somewhat cryptic literary Hebrew, but still Hebrew. Honestly I had just as much trouble reading my academic textbooks in English in university. Slap a bunch of big words into a run-on sentence and watch the students suffer!

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PROPHETIC 7744 CLAIMS THE EXACT SAME HEBREW IS SPOKEN IN ISREAL THAT IS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 21 Apr, 2020 08:53 PM

You are right Littlest David. Since Jesus had replaced the OT antiquated laws with a brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS** He really wasn't breaking the antiquated OT laws since Jesus was obeying His brand new **NEW TESTAMENT LAWS**!!



Exodus 31:14-16: Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do **ANY WORK** on that day must be **CUT OFF** from their people... Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath day is to be **PUT TO DEATH**!"! {That would also include any **GOOD WORK** like healing those with permanent infirmities which could be cured in the 6 days before or after a Sabbath Day}



Exodus 20:8-19: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you will labor and **ALL YOUR WORK**, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord. On it you shall do **NO WORK**! {Which would include any **GOOD WORK**}



Exodus 35:2,3; Whoever does **ANY WORK** on the Sabbath must be **PUT TO DEATH** Do not **LIGHT A FIRE** in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.



This was possible in Israel not to **LIGHT A FIRE** since it is about the same latitude of warm South Carolina. But anyone in the frigid parts of the earth must freeze to death in the winter since electricity would not be invented until over 3,000 years after this commandment was given!!



Jesus **IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATED AND BROKE** 26 death penalties in the Old Testament when He commanded in John 8:7: "Let any one of you who is **WITHOUT SIN** be the first to throw a stone at her!" {Who committed adultery} {Which is impossible since every human has committed sin}



John 5:16-18: So because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute Him. In his defense Jesus said to them. "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and ******I TOO AM **WORKING**!*****" For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was **HE BREAKING THE SABBATH**, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.



Hebrews 7:18,19: The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was weak and useless; for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.!



Matthew 26:30-34: They seized Jesus and arrested Him. With that, one of Jesus' companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "For *ALL* who draw the sword will die by the sword...But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"



Former OT commands in Exodus 21:23-25 "If there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."



This was immediately changed and **BROKEN BY JESUS* by these NT commands by Jesus!



Matthew 5:38,39: Jesus commands, "You have heard that it was said {In Exodus 21:23-25 above}, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also!"



Matthew 5:33-37: Jesus says, "You have heard that it was said to your people long ago {Numbers 30:2 above}, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' BUT I tell you, Do not swear at all....Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No, 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one!!" {THIS COMMAND BY JESUS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED AN OATH OR VOW BY ANY BORN FROM ABOVEE CHRISTIAN!!



Mark 7:18,19: Jesus says, "Are you so dull?" He asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." In saying this. Jesus declared ALL FOODS "CLEAN! For what comes out of a man is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. Al these evils come from inside and make a person **UNCLEAN**!"



THIS COMMAND BY JESUS **IMMEDIATELT** ELIMINATED THE MANY UNCLEN FOODS FORBIDDEN BY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS IN LEVITICUS 11:1-47



I Corinthians 9:21: I am under **CHRIST'S LAW**!!

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PROPHETIC 7744 CLAIMS THE EXACT SAME HEBREW IS SPOKEN IN ISREAL THAT IS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 23 Apr, 2020 10:36 AM

Well here we have Richard implying that the Messiah died on the pole/tree for unclean meats!? Like His Father forgot to cleans them or something from the beginning!? Nothing could be further from the truth the Father would change His mind about what was clean and unclean to eat! But what else for false doctrine does Richard teach?



So tell us Richard the pathetic7744 teacher...... If your "Jesus" you claim broke the 7th DAY Sabbath LAW that came about from creation by His Father in heaven, and then while He walked this stable stationary earth, became now a sinner like the rest of us, then what good does it do you to "earn rewards" as you claim? What good is your "fruit" in your so called ministry and THINK you are doing on this forum? Your a DEAD man come judgment day because you don't have a sacrifice (like the OT pointed too) for you sins??? Your "Christ" is now blemished and unacceptable to the Father! Your toast dude! You contradict the gospel message yourself don't you? Your reasoning skills are doomed? You also cannot claim - "JESUS REALLY DIDN'T BREAK ANY OT LAWS BECAUSE HE FIRST CHANGED THE OT LAW INTO A BRAND NEW, NEW TESTAMENT LAW" according to the Pharisees and YOU because regardless of supposedly He changed the Sabbath LAW, he broke it according to YOU during OT times BEFORE His death on the pole/tree! Your TRAPPED in your reasoning LIES to yourself dude! You expose yourself to everyone on this forum that you are certainly a false teacher!

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PROPHETIC 7744 CLAIMS THE EXACT SAME HEBREW IS SPOKEN IN ISREAL THAT IS IN THE BIBLE
Posted : 23 Apr, 2020 06:58 PM

Well here is some WORDS of "G_d" for you Richard! Looks like Richard is a LIAR about others not posting Scripture!



Look above in Richard's latest post, he forgot to post his favorite verse Isaiah 9:6! ! Also pathetic7744 apparently does not have a mirror in his trailer where he lives in Florida, for he states below



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**DOES GOD"S WORD SAY THAT **ADDING** OR **TAKING WORD'S AWAY** FROM GOD's WORD IS AN ** UMPARDONABLE SIN**?? end quote.



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the **WORDS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK**: If anyone **ADDS** {Like pathetic7744 has done} anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including **ETERNAL DEATH**} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY**{Like pathetic7744 does many times like below quote} from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book."



Proof below pathetic7744 **TAKES WORDS AWAY**



Richard7744 states this all throughout the forum - Isaiah 9:6: Quote of Richard - "For unto us a Child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor and **MIGHTY GOD**!"



end quote.



For Isaiah 9:6 REALLY says in the NIV - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, >>>Everlasting Father,<<< >>>Prince of Peace."<<<



THERE IS NO translation that EVER leaves out the words "Everlasting/Eternal/Eternity Father" in any other Bibles. Nor does Richard's favorite NIV leave out the words that Richard the pathetic7744 does! Wow



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