WOW! Elijah must have had one amazing view when he was caught up in a whirlwind !!
I know I did when I went up in a plane the first time!! Flat as a pancake!!
Teddyhug quote from a previous flat earth movement thread:
So NOW you just "disrespected" your "intelligent leader" claiming he bends water, earth does not have corners, its not His footstool, it has no firmament keeping the water from pouring in, like the time of the flood when the "windows of heaven were opened up" and the things of earth was destroyed!
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Chuck/Khutzpa quote:
@Parehtban
Yawn, still no facts? Look dude, I've done some surveying in my time. Guess what? Surveying large distances HAS to take into consideration of curvature and refraction.
Here is some advice for you: Get off, getting off on your conspiracy web sites and read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race.
PLEASE GOOGLE THIS:
"Error and Correction for the Curvature of the Earth, and Refraction (Surveying)" It doesn't matter what articles come up - read them!
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The emblem of the United Nations contains a polar azimuthal equidistant projection. A useful application for this type of projection is a polar projection which shows all meridians (lines of longitude) as straight, with distances from the pole represented correctly.
A retired career surveyor for 32 years on this radio program says the following:
They NEVER referenced any markers on BIG projects. The curve was NEVER taken into account. So from one city to the next you have a whole bunch of suveyors working on different plane models and these models have to link up. So eventually you should see a curve there.
Surveyor quote "I am wondering if you actually took the geodetic markers and placed them , what kind of shape you would end up with ?...Elevation is refereced on the geodetic model and based off a plane...which is only good for that exact location"
What is interesting is these markers are put down by the U.S.Geological Survey who are the creators of the Azimuthal equidistant map which is not a globe map but a plane map!! ...So the >>>>PREMIER MAP MAKERS OF THE WORLD<<<<have a geodetic model there that surveyors don't use!!
"So your telling me that ALL my projects that even though they LOOK straight they are actually crooked? How does that actually work?"
"It's like Al Queda...you can't find them but they are there " (curvature) according to the suveyor textbooks.
So if anything could make the geodetic model more accurate it would be the satellite system. Especially since these two government organizations are linked but here is the kicker..they don't care because no one is using that model!!
To sum it all up: Water always determines the level! LOL
Taking you from an East Coast landmark to a West Coast icon, the Washington, D.C., to San Francisco route cuts through America's heartland with unforgettable stops along the way. At slightly over 2,800 miles, you could break down this 40-hour trip into five eight-hour driving days with four overnight stops. Hmm. wonder how they know this? Surveyors perhaps?
The distance from earth to the sun? GOOGLE THIS CHUCK: 92.96 million miles. Now I don't know about you...but I would hate to be that surveyor! Burnt to a crisp now wouldn't you say? Aren't they saying they want to colonize the moon and also mars? LMBO! We never went to the moon according to NASA'S own mouth! Maybe you should use your own advice there Chuckk: " read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race." and perhaps some critical thinking skills would be useful as well.
"We can only fly in earth's orbit." They want to go to the moon next! What a crock of lies.
MAN!...is Google maps lazy. My husband lost an hour out on delivery because the database isn't updated. hmmm...maybe they are busy with the satellite system and GPS to update their model! LOL
**JESUS IS NOT GOD** even though the New Testament confirms that Jesus is **GOD** **SEVEN TIMES** and is called **LORD** **OVER 200 times. Jesus is called **GOD** 3 times in the Book of John which proves that the book of John was npt inspired by God.
**Jesus was not conceived by a **VIRGIN** which shows the books of Matthew and Luke were not inspired by God
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**JESUS DID NOT CHANGE ANY OLD TESTAMENT LAWS**: even though the 4 Gospels show that Jesus changed many Old Testament Laws which proves the 4 Gospels were not inspired by God.
**The 14 Pauline Epistles were not inspired by God since Paul wrote over 10 times that we are no longer under the supervision of Old Testament Laws.
**While Acts 22:14-15 and Acts 26:16-18 and 2 Peter 3:15,16 show that Paul was chosen by God the Son and God the Father as the top witness of God;s Word to the Jews and Gentiles and therefore the book of Acts and 2nd Peter were not inspired by God!
**The Book of Revelation was written by Jesus since He told his angel what to inspire John to write as per Revelation 22:16:. Revelation tells of our eternal home the New Jerusalem which will be 1377 niles long high and wide with its ** NEW HEAVENS** and a NEW EARTH** Jesus promised it would be an **UNPARDONABLE SIN** To **ADD WORDS** or **TAKE WORDS AWAY** from the book of Revelation while Khutzpah and Quiznos believe only in n future **EARTHLY KINGDOM**!!
Revelation22:16-19: "I, Jesus have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone **ADDS** anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book {Including Eternal Hell in Rev 14:9-11}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophesy {Like Khutzpah & Quiznos} God will take away from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem, which are described in this book!"
Revelation 17:14: They will make war against the **LAMB** but the **LAMB** will overcome them because He is **LORD** of lords and **KING** of kings and with Him will be His **CALLED** **CHOSEN** and **FAITHFUL** followers! {Riding on heavenly white horses as per Rev 19:7-21}
I have to say that any NEW Christian would be extremely confused with all these ridiculous numbers and concepts. The Bible is not complicated. YOU people with the exception of Toth are simply making the Bible into a circus.
Needsafriend7, you need to realize Chuck is not a believer in the Bible, so he makes up formula's to try to prove the earth has curvature and spins when theBible isclear the eart his at rest and does not move. Its the sun, moon and stars that move above us, all enclosed by a firmament says the Bible in Genesis chapter 1! So Chuck distracts from that truth with secular stuff to try to prove otherwise but of course Chuck proves nothing! Toth was showing Chuck his error in Chuck using a formula that only figures distance and terrain for towers, not curvature! Like Surveyers, tower builders use NO figures for curvature in their work. They are taught about it in school but do not use it in the field of work.
Your right "the Bible is not complicated" on the way the earth is made and its only Chuck that makes "the Bible into a circus" of Chucks secular taught making. Sad really that he just refuses to trust in the WORDS of the Bible in how it describes the earth???
teddy - you and kjv are not real Christians... this thread or another you personally maintain you are not saved til you are dead. i have to find that thread. Acts 2:38 is relevant as is John 3. There are so many kookie ideas you both have that there is no way to reason with you. perhaps you should read and think about Proverbs 19:5
"teddy - you and kjv are not real Christians... this thread or another you personally maintain you are not saved til you are dead. i have to find that thread. Acts 2:38 is relevant as is John 3. There are so many kookie ideas you both have that there is no way to reason with you. perhaps you should read and think about Proverbs 19:5" end quote.
What are you talking about Needs? I think you got the wrong thread as I have said nothing about anyone "is not saved til they are dead." in this thread??? You feeling alright, because I always took you to be a sweet lady and now you are calling me "kookie" about what the Bible says about the shape of the earth! Its real simple, show me in the Bible where it says the earth is a ball, a spinning one mind you and its a sphere in shape! Show me where the earth moves! Show me curved standing water! Show me any of those things and I will mail you a gift of $500 dollars, ok? That is how sure I'am after YEARS of testing and researching, OK?
Now stop the name calling, your being disrespectful like Chuck did and be a REAL loving Christian Needsafriend7! Ok? I have perfect reasoning skills when it comes to this subject, so SHOW ME where I'm mistaken, OK? Not too much to ask, is it? What does Acts 2:38, John (chapter?) 3 and Proverbs 19:5 have to do with the Creation and shape of the earth!!!??? Wow Need-safriend7!
You NEED to pay attention to what thread you are in!
Who do you think you are, judging people that YOU claim "are not real Christians" when you have not proved otherwise by your personal attacks??? And I don't "personally maintain" any thread, I just comment and you have a problem with that??? Get to the point, will you??? YOU have some issues to repent of, don't you.
teddy I know EXACTLY what thread I am in... the sphere and flat earth thread. toth is the only reasonable person in here. all of us disgress sometimes. I will find the other thread i spoke of.
teddy i cannot find the thread where you said we all go to the grave and you will be caught up in the air and go to your mother. I tried start a new thread and cant if you start one I will set you straight.
Needsafriend7 writes, "teddy I know EXACTLY what thread I am in... the sphere and flat earth thread."
OOOOOOOOOK! Then why pull the topic off on another subject, things discussed in another thread YOU CANNOT FIND (LOL!)??? I find it disrespectful you claiming you would be back Today, after the pagan "weekend", then YOU did not respond to all
I posted in that other thread to you! Wow! Must not of been very important for you, if you don't even remember where you post things! THANKS! After all you said you was going to correct me in how I was soooo mixed up (LOL!) about the definition of word "hell" in the Bible, like when you said, quote - "oh boy, you are REALLY mixed up about hell. Monday I will try to get on here and explain to you also heaven and hell. You are One Mixed Up Dude." LMBO!
I have been an asst. pastor for a baptist church for 20 years, retired now, graduated from seminary and YOU are going to "straighten" me out on this simple doctrine of the definition of the word "hell" and that it simply means the grave??? I'm up to the challenge but not on this thread! Before I show you where you posted before in another thread, lets finish up what you said here. Lets see where you stand on the issue of the plane (pun intended) WORD of Yahuwah in the Bible about the shape of the earth, shall we?
Needsafriend7 1st writes - this is a silly forum...so much crazy stuff like you have never really read the Bible. I must say Toth is the only person who makes sense on here.
Needsafriend7 2nd writes - I have to say that any NEW Christian would be extremely confused with all these ridiculous numbers and concepts. The Bible is not complicated. YOU people with the exception of Toth are simply making the Bible into a circus.
So Needsafriend7, you claim this is a silly forum thread. WHY? You also claim this Bible description of the earth is "crazy stuff" and therefore I GUESS, YOU think we "have never really read the Bible" on those truths??? Do you know how judgmental you sound and offer no PROOF of your accusations!? INTERESTING!
You also say "Toth is the only person who makes sense on here." and that may be because he does NOT state his opinion on here what he believes in the shape of the earth in your mind and thought, right Needsafriend? You like that! LOL! Toth spent all his time straightening Chuck out on his false formula for checking earth curvature (there is NONE) and PROVED Chuck wrong on his formula that is ONLY for checking distance of towers. It was hilarious, even though Toth is not believing either way on the subject of the shape of the earth! Get it, how did you miss that on this thread???
NO! "NEW Christians would NOT be extremely confused with all these ridiculous numbers and concepts" as you stated and posted on this thread because they could get a laugh about how Chuck was OWNED by Toth and Chuck's theory of NOT proving curvature with his secular formula. Hilarious! Your right the "Bible is not complicated" Needsafriend, when it comes to describing the shape of the earth. Have you sincerely done that study? Are you ready to do so? Its secular people claiming to be "christians" that make the "Bible into a circus" claiming people are hanging upside down in Australia, you can bend TONS of water around ball, with
the theory of GRABBITY, yet a small insect can leave the ground with ease! "Gravity" or better know as grabbity with a conscience (lol!), did you know thats the Kool-aid they want us to drink Needsafriend?
Needsafriend7 finally 3rd writes - "teddy - you and kjv are not real Christians... There are so many kookie ideas you both have that there is no way to reason with you. perhaps you should read and think about Proverbs 19:5"
REALLY Needsafriend? Just because we quote the Bible verses that describe the shape of the earth, that it has a "firmament" over head that is SOLID and keeps water from POURING in? The Bible also says that the earth is at rest and not moving, that ONLY the sun, moon and stars move above us! I could go on and on but first I want to know if you are even interested in knowing TRUTH, instead of insulting CHRISTIANS here with words like "kookie" and "silly" and quoting Proverbs 19:5 to us as if that even applies to us, claiming SOMEHOW we are not real Christians!!!??? Thanks Needsafriend, love you too!
We can discuss the other topic later in the other thread, as to not distract from this one, ok? I promise to have you "straighten" (lol!) me out about that topic in the other thread, ok? Since you are lazy here, I will tell you later where that discussion can be found. Ha!
So can you be civil now and move on with the Biblical description and topic of thread about the earth?
Think what you want. the earth rotates on its own axis and orbits around the sun. The speed is extremely fast so we do not feel any of this motion because these speeds are constant. All you can do is copy and paste my statements, so i have no more interest in this flat earth thread.
Maybe you should use your own advice there Chuckk: " read some unbiased information by people who have no horse in the race." and perhaps some critical thinking skills would be useful as well. 
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I find it disrespectful you claiming you would be back Today, after the pagan "weekend", then YOU did not respond to all 
(LOL!) about the definition of word "hell" in the Bible, like when you said, quote - "oh boy, you are REALLY mixed up about hell. Monday I will try to get on here and explain to you also heaven and hell. You are One Mixed Up Dude." LMBO! 
I'm up to the challenge but not on this thread! Before I show you where you posted before in another thread, lets finish up what you said here. Lets see where you stand on the issue of the plane (pun intended) WORD of Yahuwah in the Bible about the shape of the earth, shall we? 
Do you know how judgmental you sound and offer no PROOF of your accusations!? 
I could go on and on but first I want to know if you are even interested in knowing TRUTH, instead of insulting CHRISTIANS here with words like "kookie" and "silly" and quoting Proverbs 19:5 to us as if that even applies to us, claiming SOMEHOW we are not real Christians!!!???