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Modern Bibles do not exalt Christ Jesus!
Posted : 5 Oct, 2019 05:23 PM

The NASB is widely regarded as the most literally translated of 20th century bible translations. It is a revision of the ASV of 1901. of which The Amplified Bible (published by the Lockman Foundation) is based on the American Standard Version of that same year. This translation was a alternative of the RSV, itself a revision of the ASV. Still with me? What a brain twister.The Hebrew text used for this translation was the Kittel Biblia Herbraica and the dead sea scrolls.The ben Asher text was adopted by Kittel for his third edition of Biblia Hebraica in 1937. The Ben Asher uses the Leningrad Manuscript or codex. The codex was copied in Cairo from manuscripts written by Aaron ben Moses ben Asher. It has been claimed to be a product of the Asher scriptorium itself; however, there is no evidence that Asher ever saw it. In its vocalization system (vowel points and cantillation) it is considered by scholars to be the most faithful representative of ben Asher's tradition apart from the Aleppo Codex (edited by ben Asher himself). Its letter-text is not superb, however, and contradicts it's own masoretic apparatus in many hundreds of places. The Biblia Herbraica was consulted for the 1995 revision. For Greek, Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece was used. The 23rd edition of the 1971 original and the 26th in the 1995 revision. From Nestle Allands website: Nestle took the three leading scholarly editions of the Greek New Testament at that time by Tischendorf, Westcott/Hort and Weymouth as a basis. (After 1901 he replaced the latter with Bernhard Weiss 1894/1900 edition.) Where their textual decisions differed from each other Nestle chose for his own text the variant which was preferred by two of the editions included, while the variant of the third was put into the apparatus.



Rudolph Kittels Biblia Hebraica, the Greek text of Westcott and Hort, and the 23rd edition of the Nestle Greek New Testament as well as the best Hebrew and Greek lexicons available at the time.Cognate languages,Tischendorf. the Dead Sea Scrolls, and other Greek works were also consulted.as you can see it is a soupy mix. Note how prominently the ESV acknowledges this text in its introduction:

The ESV is based on the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Bible as found in Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (2nd ed., 1983), and on the Greek text in the 1993 editions of the Greek New Testament (4th corrected ed.), published by the United Bible Societies (UBS), and Novum Testamentum Graece (27th ed.), edited by Nestle and Aland. The currently renewed respect among Old Testament scholars for the Masoretic text is reflected in the ESV’s attempt, wherever possible, to translate difficult Hebrew passages as they stand in the Masoretic text rather than resorting to emendations or to finding an alternative reading in the ancient versions. In exceptional, difficult cases, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Septuagint, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Syriac Peshitta, the Latin Vulgate, and other sources were consulted to shed possible light on the text, or, if necessary, to support a divergence from the Masoretic text.

Who are Westcott and Hort? After their deaths , their Sons published their personal letters which are still available on Amazon. They were evolutionists, did not believe Jesus was equal with God, they believed that man is divine, no bodily resurrection of Jesus, Heaven was just a state and not a place, that scripture is not inspired and therefore not infallable just to name a few.

It is no surprise that although both men were liberal anglican bishops, they hid their secret unitarian views because only members of the church of England could be college professors or hold a government job. This was revealed with the publication of their private letters. As we proceed you will notice that the modern bibles do not exalt the Lord Jesus Christ.

The KJV onlyism movement just points out the corruption of the modern bibles , they are not responsible for people's unbelief, this is due to the corrupt translations. Even some textual critics themselves have lost their faith, like Bart Ehrman who now writes books about the bible in an effort to make other people become agnostic like him. What about Kittel? Rudolph Kittel's son Gerhard was a theologian to Hitler. Gerhard Kittel, eliminated mention of the special role of the Jewish people.To update it he oversaw changes to words such as “Messiah” and “hallelujah”, and renamed “Jerusalem” as the ‘eternal city of God’. ‘Honour your Fuhrer and master’ and ‘keep your blood pure and your honour holy’ were added to the 10 commandments.



Importantly, during the 1930s both Kittels are said to have hailed Hitler’s rise to power as “a blessing from God”. Both became highly influential in intellectual circles in Germany. In fact, the younger Kittel became Hitler’s “high priest” of religious propaganda, providing the “theological basis” for resolving the “Jewish question”. Robert P. Ericksen, author of Theologians Under Hitler (New Haven, Yale University Press 1985 pp 45, 207, 86-88), who received the 1987 Merit of Distinction Award from the International Centre for Holocaust Studies for this work, wrote that Gerhard Kittel’s writings between 1937 and 1945 were highly instrumental in causing the death of millions of Jews in Germany and the territories it conquered in the Second World War. 'He established a solid ‘Christian’ foundation for opposition to the Jews’. Kittel also proclaimed himself “the first authority in Germany on the scientific consideration of the Jewish question”. Ericksen records: Kittel and a group of twelve leading theologians and pastors issued a proclamation that Nazism is ‘a call of God’ and they thanked Adolf Hitler

As we progress, you will see by a careful comparison of scriptures that there are some changes and omissions that should be considered as you weigh this matter of what bible to choose to use for study.

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Posted : 7 Oct, 2019 10:03 PM

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And when KJVonly says , "Modern Bibles do not exalt Christ Jesus," she is also lying to you!

Isaiah 40:22: God sits enthroned above the **CIRCLE OF THE EARTH** {The earth is round like a **CIRCLE** which is the exact opposite of a **FLAT EARTH**!}

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A sphere (from Greek σφαῖρα—sphaira, "globe, ball") is a perfectly round geometrical object in three-dimensional space that is the surface of a completely round ball (viz., analogous to the circular objects in two dimensions, where a>>>>>> "circle" circumscribes it's "disk").<<<<<

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Posted : 7 Oct, 2019 10:15 PM

If a plane was flying from North to South it would be upside down by the time it reaches it's destination.

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 05:29 AM

Ridiculous quotes by KJVonly who also believes in the **FLAT EARTH**:



"The one true God has **ONE TRUE BOOK** {KJVonly}

"Modern Bibles do not exalt Christ Jesus."



There are certainly some errors in all of the translations of God's Word in the Koine Greek which is inspired by God. By far the **WORST EXANPLE** is: After Mark 16:8 all of the major translations **EXCEPT THE KING JAMES VERSION** have a footnote which reads: "The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20."



And Mark 16:16-18: Wrongly states: "Whoever believes and is **BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED** .... And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands, and they will **DRINK DEADLY POISON, it will not hurt them at all; they will **PLACE THEIR HANDS** on sick people, and they will get well??"



By comparing other Scripture with these mistakes we know that Baptismal Regeneration is wrong and even in the early church not every saint spoke in other languages. and there is not one other Scripture that tells us to **DRINK DEADLY POISON** and to **PICK UP SNAKES** some of which are deadly. There is also a Scripture which contradicts **PLACING HANDS ON SICK PEOPLE WILL MAKE THEM WELL** in James 5:14,15!



However if you believe the KJV version is infallible you must then also believe that all of the above Satanic Heresies are also the inspired **WORDS OF GOD**!!



Of course those denominations which believe in Baptismal Regeneration and many Charismatic churches believe these verses are the inspired words of God thus agreeing with the KJV version???



And so the KJV version is the only version that implies that the **EXTEMELY SATANIC** Mark 16:16-18 are the inspired Words of God. The KJV version is also written in 16th Century English which is very hard for 20th Century Christians to understand.



The origin of the term **EASTER** for the feast of Christ’s Resurrection has been popularly considered to be from the Anglo-Saxon **EASTRE**, a goddess of spring and the evil Queen of Heaven. {Read Jeremiah 44:22-25 about the very evil **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**}



The KJV version is the only version that translates the Greek word **PASCHA** as **EASTER** in Acts 12:4 and all other major translations correctly translate the Greek word **PASCHA** as **PASSOVER**!! {Read Jeremiah 44::22-25 about the extremely evil **QUEEN OF HEAVEN**}



"The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20." Which the KJV version claims is the inspired Word of God???



The KJV defenders also quote Colossians 1:14 which includes the blood of Christ in the KJV version and in all the other major translations the blood of Christ is not mentioned in Colossians 1:14. However the KJV version includes many verses which are not used in the most ancient manuscripts and which are rightfully not accepted by all the other major translations. And the KJV had some **VERY LIBERAL EPISCOPAL TRANSLATORS**



However, the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sins is mentioned many times in the earliest Greek manuscripts in VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND 20TH CENTURY ENGLISH translations which exalt CHRIST JESUS far bettor than the **HARD TO UNDERSTAND** 16th Century English, such as:



Matthew 26:28: Jesus says, "This is **MY BLOOD** of the covenant, which is poured out for many **FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS**!"



Hebrews 9:12: He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by **HIS OWN BLOOD**, having obtained **ETERNAL REDEMPTION**!



Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with **BLOOD**, and without the shedding of **BLOOD** **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!



Ephesians 2:13: But now in Christ Jesus you who were once were far away have been brought near **THROUGH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST**!!



Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, **APART FROM THE LAW**, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes **THROUGH FAITH** in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by **HIS GRACE** through the **REDEMPTION** that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a **SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT**, **THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD**!!



Colossians 1:15-20: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the **HEAD OF HIS BODY, THE CHURCH**; He is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, so that is **EVERYTHING HE MIGHT HAVE THE SUPREMACY**. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things **ON EARTH** or things in heaven, by making peace **THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, shed on the cross!!



Ephesians 1:3-8; 11: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with **EVERY** spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and **BLAMELESS** in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, **THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!!



I Peter 1:18,19: For you know that was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were **REDEEMED** from the empty way of life handed down to you by your forefathers, but with the **PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST**, Lamb without blemish or defect!!



Revelation 1:4,5: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful Witness... To Him who loves us and freed us from our sins **BY HIS BLOOD**!!



NOTE: Jesus Christ our Savior is called the **LAMB** of God **30 TIMES** in the book of Revelation because He did away with all lamb sacrifices for sin by the sacrifice of Himself!!



Revelation 5:6,9: Then I saw a **LAMB**, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne...You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because You were slain, and **WITH YOUR BLOOD** You purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!



Revelation 12:11: They overcame him by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB** and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!!



Revelation 7:14: These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation, they have was their robes and made them white in the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**!!



Romans 5:6-10: You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless. Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates His love for us in this: While we were still sinners Christ died for us. Since we are now justified **BY HIS BLOOD**, how much more will we be saved from God's wrath through Him! When we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to Him **THROUGH THE DEATH OF HIS SON**!!



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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 12:35 PM

The practice of **HANDLING POISONOUS SNAKES AND DRINKING DEADLY POISON** comes from a literal reading of the Bible passage:



Mark 16:17-18 : And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover... (King James Version). The King James Version is the only major version which believes that Mark 16:17,18 are the **INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD**



About half of the snake handling sects found in Appalachia are off-shoots of a Pentecostal denomination, the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), where the practice began under Church of God minister George W. Hensley, and which expelled Hensley and other snake-handlers from its membership c. 1922. The other half subscribe to "Oneness" Pentecostalism, baptize in the name of Jesus only, and seem to have a fondness for the teachings of William Branham.



The law:



The practice has been outlawed in many states (including Kentucky, where most of the practitioners live). However, most attempts at prosecution arise when children are subjected to the practice or are in danger of being orphaned due to it. In Kentucky, **SEVERAL PEOPLE DIE EACH YEAR**, despite their faith (or lack thereof, as their fellow believers would probably explain it). In Tennessee in 2008 there was a major sting operation against snake handlers resulting in the arrest of a few score of them and the confiscation of much contraband. The practice is, however, legal in West Virginia, where the Church of the Lord Jesus in Jolo (McDowell County) practices right out in the open and welcomes visitors. Many lukewarm believers secretly go to hospitals and doctors after they have been bitten.



King James only:



Snake handling sects all follow a King James Only belief.



Fatalities within snake handling sects:



July 1955, Florida - George Went Hensley, founder of the Church of Jesus With Signs Following, possibly the first snake handling church, was bitten on the wrist by a snake draped around his neck. He died several days later.



August 1960, Georgia - Lloyd B. Hill is killed by a rattlesnake in an illegal snake handling ceremony. Clergy involved are arrested.



November 1973, Kentucky - 72 year old Shirley Wagers is killed by snakebite at the Pentecostal Holiness Church.



August 1985, Tennessee - Charles Herman Prince of the Apostolic Church of God gets attacked by a rattlesnake after drinking strychnine. He refuses medical attention and dies 36 hours later.



Oct, 1999 and 1995 Alabama and Kentucky - John Wayne "Punkin'" Brown was bitten on the hand by a yellow timber rattler during a worship service. Having suffered previous snake bites he preached for fifteen minutes then suddenly fell over dead. His wife, Melinda Brown, met a similar fate several years prior. His five children were subsequently turned over the the custody of their grandparents, who also run a similar snake church in Tennessee.



April 2004, Virginia - Reverend Dwayne Long of the Arthurs Chapel Church of Rose Hill was killed by a rattlesnake during Easter services.



May 2012, West Virginia - Pastor Mark Wolford sat near a recently handled Timber Rattler and received a fatal bite to the leg. His father was also a pastor and died from snake bites 39 years earlier.



February 2014, Kentucky - Jamie Coots, well known Middlesboro preacher, died after being bitten by a snake during a church service Saturday evening.



And so if you are believers in the KJVonly sect which beleves that Mark 16:17,18 are the **INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD** then you should also follow God's word and drink deadly poison and handle deadly snakes!! **BON APPETIT**

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 02:38 PM

KJVonly: Since you are one of the leading teachers of KJV only and believe Mark 16:17,18 is inspired by God you have probably drank many poisonous liquids and handled many deadly snakes. How many times have you been bitten by poisonous snakes and did enjoy it since it demonstrated your great faith in God's Word??



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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 08:20 PM

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And so if you are believers in the KJVonly sect which beleves that Mark 16:17,18 are the **INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD** then you should also follow God's word and drink deadly poison and handle deadly snakes!! **BON APPETIT**

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This was to establish the church / The Jews required a sign.



Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into>>> ALL THE WORLD<<<, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Some people take this verse and apply it to today. There is the charismatic movement who base their whole faith around tongue speaking for proof of salvation.

There are actually snake handling churches. I don't however recommend attending such ludicrous delusional meetings.

But notice the verse: "these signs will FOLLOW >>>>them<<<< that believe.

For example, we see:

some believers casting out demons (Acts 5:16, 8:7, 16:16-18, 19:11-12)

some believers speaking in tongues (Acts 2:4, 10:46, 19:6, 1 Corinthians 12:10, 12:28)

believers laying hands on the sick and healing them (Acts 9:17, 28:8)

one believer bit by a snake and not harmed (Acts 28:3-5)

Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Indeed, the Bible is explicit in other passages that the gifts of tongues and healings are not required to be saved or to receive the Holy Spirit 1 Cor. 12:7-11,28-31

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

1 Corinthians 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

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19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 08:39 PM

The scriptures make sense when you are a look at them from a preterist standpoint.

Where are the infallable prophets today? The ones whose every word came to pass???

Where are the shadows that were cast on people like Peters and healed the sick.??? Acts 5:15

Where are the tongues from believers that you can understand in your own language when spoken???

Where are the dead being raised ??

Now mind you, God can and does perform miracles. He is sovereign. BUT where are the miracles that>>> accompanied<<<< the 1st century believers?? Nowhere. Why??

Because the Church has been established and all fulfilled.

I have NEVER seen anyone's amputated limb regrow or a proven cripple get out of a wheelchair instantly with strengthened legs. Have you??? Have you seen anyone restore sight by laying hands on them? Where is the latter rain?

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 09:04 PM

NOTE! This is in reponse to KJO's accurate post of Richard7744 challenge question. AMEN!

BUT Im NOT agreeing with her second post and strange "preterist" doctrine with its defeatest message of NO more power from YHWH today!

The other problem is Richard actually does not understand the context of subjects of Scripture in his ignorance!



Richard!



Why do you try soooooo hard to em"barrass" yourself challenging KJV above in her first post, when she answered your question??? Do you not realize your exposing your "barrass" to everyone on the forum of your ignorance??? Its not nice to "moon" people Richard!

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 09:12 PM

Friends,



KJO quote.



Now mind you, God can and does perform miracles. He is sovereign. BUT where are the miracles that>>> accompanied<<<< the 1st century believers?? Nowhere. Why??



Because the Church has been established and all fulfilled.



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Please not the contradiction with her very own statement.... at one point "God can and does perform miracles" BUT NOW He is powerless today because "all (is) fulfilled." today!



LMBO!







Ooooh and just because SHE has not witnessed any miracle(s), they don't happen today!!!

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Posted : 8 Oct, 2019 09:17 PM

Oh come on Teddy!

God can perform miracles but notice I said that the ones that ACCOMPANIED the 1st century believers are not found today. Did Cinderella get distracted with that missing slipper???

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