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Can you STOP sinning?
Posted : 25 Sep, 2019 11:11 PM

1 Corinthians 10:13

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Any thoughts?

Jesus made a second exodus , an escape from sin. An escape from slavery and oppression.

But what about what Paul says about being a wretched man? Do you think we take him out of context as Romans 7:14 seems to suggest that he is sold under sin?

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Posted : 29 Sep, 2019 03:27 PM

LittleDavid quote:

In fact, just for kicks, let’s apply Teddy’s approach to biblical interpretation.

Teddy claims the world is flat and he doesn’t sin just because Teddy found some verses.

Obviously to Teddy, the contest where a verse is located has nothing to do with its proper interpretation.

So let’s apply Teddy’s method to biblical interpretation here:

Jesus said in Like 15:26 King James Version

“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

So Teddy, do you hate everybody??? That’s EXACTLY what Jesus said to do, isn’t it??? We’re just applying your silly methodology.

Let’s apply Teddy’s silly methodology to another verse:

New King James Version Mark 9:43

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched—

So, Teddy, since Jesus says to cut off your hand if it cases you to sin, is that what you tell people to do ?

OBVIOUSLY ANYONE WHO TAKES THESE VERSES LITERALLY NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP

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I fixed your quote at the end for you David.

You got me absolutely rolling on the floor!!!! my ribs hurt!!!!!!!

You know, in that movie called God's outlaw about Tyndale, the English martyr , there is my favorite scene where he is debating with the Catholic guests at his hosts house about giving the bible to all the English in their own tongue and the Catholic clergy saying that only the Pope can interpret scripture for the church and he continues on saying in defense.." God's word says, If thine eye offend thee , pluck it out. Give the scriptures to ignorant men and they will soon be tearing out their own eyes hither and yon. We will be a nation of blind men!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqgbxhMsGM

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Posted : 29 Sep, 2019 08:48 PM

**WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW HEAVEN THE NEW EARTH AND THE ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Except KJVonly and the Preterists who believe in an earthly kingdom which began in AD 70. They believe that everything in Revelation was completed in AD 70????



Hebrews 12:26-28: God says, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken--that is created things--so that what cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a *KINGDOM* that can not be shaken let us be thankful...for our God is a consuming fire!



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"



Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!



The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!



Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, “Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.



The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City, its gates and its walls. The City was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {A Stadia is exactly 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!



Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."



Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of this book: If anyone **ADDS** anything to them {Like the Preterists}, God will add to them the plagues described in this book {Including eternal hell in Rev 14:7-9}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy {Like the Preterists}, God will take away from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!"

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Posted : 30 Sep, 2019 06:07 AM

The Preterists teach that every prophecy in God's Word was fulfilled in AD 70 including the Second Coming of Jesus and an eternal earthly kingdom instead of a **FUTURE SECOND COMING OF JESUS** and our glorious eternal home in the **NEW HEAVENS** and a NEW EARTH** and the eternal **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Matthew 24:1-3: Jesus left the Temple and was walking away when Hid disciples came up to call his attention to its buildings. "Do you see all these things?" Jesus asked, "Truly I tell you, not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down!" As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us, they said, "{Question #1} When will this happen, and {Question #2} what will be the sign of your Coming and the **END** of the age?"



The **PRETERISTS** like KJV only believe this was only 1 Question??



The Mount of Olives Prophecies and answers to these 2 questions by Jesus are in Matthew 24 and 25 Mark 13 and Luke 21. However the answer to Question {#1} as to when the Temple will be completely destroyed in AD 70 is only answered in Luke 21:20-24 below when Jesus warns His saints to flee to the mountains, and Matthew 24:34 only confirms that the Temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed within a generation and they were in AD 70.



Luke 21:20-24: Jesus prophesied, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its destruction is near {In AD 70}. Then let those in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}... There will be great distress in the land against this people. They {The Jews} will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was **FULFILLED** when the Jews took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, AD 1948 and completed when the Jews took over West Jerusalem form the Jordanian Gentiles on June 7th AD 1967 almost 1900 years later!



All of the other prophecies by Jesus in the Mount of Olives prophecies in Matthew 24 and 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refer to Question #2 "What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? will be completed by the 42-month {See Rev 13:4-10 below} Great Tribulation just before the Second Coming of Jesus on the Last Day when all of his saints will be resurrected and receive their new heavenly bodies immediately followed by the resurrection of the Lost and Judgment Day in Matthew 25:31-46



**SUCH AS** Matthew 24:9-13 which prophesies the great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation of many in the church when they will be hated by **ALL** the nations of the world followed by the prophecy by Jesus in Matthew 24:14 that the Gospel must be preached to **ALL** the nations of the world before the End will come. By AD 70 the Gospel had only been preached to those nations in the Roman Empire!



The **PRETERISTS** like KJVonly believe that all of the following events took place in AD 70 ????



In Matthew 24:3,9-13: The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the end of the age?? Jesus answered….. {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by **ALL NATIONS** **BECAUSE OF ME**. At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the **END** will be saved.”



Rev 13:4-10: Men worshiped the dragon {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666} and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the Beast? Who can make war against him?” The Beast will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {1260 days}, He will be given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and **NATION**. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast--all whose names have not been written in the **LAMB'S** Book of Life. Whoever has ears let him hear: "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed." This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God's saints!



Matthew 24:14: Jesus prophesied, "And this Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the **WHOLE WORLD** as a testimony to **ALL NATIONS** and **THEN the **END will come!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inheritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



And so the only supposedly good Preterist verses in Mark 9:1 and Matthew 24:34 actually do not prove the Preterist belief and there are over 40 versus in God's Word which totally contradict the Preterist belief!



Ay honest Bible scholar will admit that none of the above events took place in AD 70 and must all take place in the **FUTURE**. And therefore the Preterist belief that all, the above events took place in AD 70 is completely ridiculous!

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Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 03:34 PM

Believers need to read Romans 6 chapter . Dead to Sin, Alive to God



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We do not practice sin.

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Posted : 1 Oct, 2019 08:56 PM

Little David: William Bell and Preston were both 7th Day Adventists. It is interesting to note that KJVonly also believes many other doctrines of the 7th Day Adventists; such as obeying about half of the OT Sabbath Laws and the KJV only Bible and the belief in Annihilation rather than eternal hell. The 7th Day Adventists is the only protestant denomination that believes in Preterism which believes that every Bible Prophecy in the New Testament including Revelation was entirely completed by an **EARTHLY** Kingdom in AD 70.



About 80 percent of the Roman Catholics also believe in a different form of Preterism since they also believe in an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God headed by Roman Catholic Popes which began in Ad 65 when Peter died and was succeeded by Roman Catholic Popes as the head of an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God. And in the future they believe that Roman Catholic Popes will rule the entire *EARTHLY**world from Rome.



KJVonly: Can you explain how the Preterists teach that the following prophecies in God's Word took place in AD 70?? Actually every prophecy listed below absolutely contradicts the Preterism heresy which **ADDS** OR **TAKES WORDS AWAY** FROM THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION AND GOD'S WORD.



Revelation 22 :16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS* anything to them, God will add them the plagues described in this book. {Which would include eternal hell in Rev 14:9-11} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The eternal New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory {In Matt 24:30-31 above}, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inheritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!





Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

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Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 10:54 AM

WOW! I cringe when I look at all of our posts! We need to pray before we come in here and yield to the Holy Spirit.

I think I understand Teddy better now.

He is not saying he is without sin. Of course he sins, but it is his >>>choice<<< to sin! As it is all of our choices to sin. We are called to be Holy as the Lord is Holy are we not? We can choose to abide in the Lord or not. As Paul says in Romans 6:15 : What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

and a few verses down , we find this also : I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

So now we see why Paul would state this in Romans 7:19 : 8 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

If you live by the flesh you will sin but if you walk in the Spirit as He is in the Spirit, you won't sin as the verse states that I used in beginning of this thread. Christ made a way out of sin, a second exodus.

My apologies Teddy for taking you out of context and being angry with you as I sometimes take your sarcasm for anger. It goes back to my husband's brainwashing. I am not excusing myself for my error but stating that it does cause me to perceive things differently and why I suggested prayer!!

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Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 11:27 AM

Hmmm, Parrot.

https://donkpreston.com/the-seventh-day-sabbath-the-elephant-in-the-room-of-dominionism-and-futurism-1/

As Don states on his website: "In July, 2012, I engaged in a formal debate with Joel McDurmon, now president of American Vision in Powder Springs, Georgia. In my first affirmative presentation, I took note of the critical, but mostly overlooked, importance of the Sabbath to the study of eschatology.. I observed that the Sabbath was a distinctive covenantal sign between God and Israel, a sign both of creation and of deliverance from Egyptian bondage and death. (Exodus 31; Deuteronomy 5).

(Interestingly, I have raised the issue of the Sabbath in at least four formal debates and in numerous written debates. Not one of my futurist opponents has been willing to discuss the subject, almost flippantly casting it aside, or totally ignoring it, even when pressured to address it).

Not only was the seventh day Sabbath a covenantal sign between YHVH and Israel, it was a prophetic foreshadowing of the end of the millennium (final) salvation and resurrection."

There is that key verse again about God taking the Israelites out of bondage to the Pharoah. That is repeated again in the NT when Christ made a way out of bondage to sin and death !, >>>>the second exodus!!<<<<

I know in Isaiah it speaks about the new heaven and new earth and it is in a covenatal context and the sabbath will be observed. I do not see in the bible anywhere where it was abolished! It is part of the Royal law, the 10 commandments. One guy argued with me on the city bus when I was bold enough to bring it up to a diverse mix of people like catholics, atheists, and whatever denomination or view they held. This guy said Jesus done away with the sabbath when he picked corn. LMBO!!

Yet Jesus said "Pray that your flight be not in winter or on the sabbath day. And Paul kept the sabbath and then what do you do with Isaiah when he says that from one new moon (month) to another and from one sabbath (week) to another all will come and worship me. ?

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Posted : 2 Oct, 2019 03:11 PM

Little David: William Bell and Preston were both 7th Day Adventists. It is interesting to note that KJVonly also believes many other doctrines of the 7th Day Adventists; such as obeying about half of the OT Sabbath Laws and the KJV only Bible and the belief in Annihilation rather than eternal hell. The 7th Day Adventists is the only protestant denomination that believes in Preterism which believes that every Bible Prophecy in the New Testament including Revelation was entirely completed by an **EARTHLY** Kingdom in AD 70.



About 80 percent of the Roman Catholics also believe in a different form of Preterism since they also believe in an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God headed by Roman Catholic Popes which began in Ad 65 when Peter died and was succeeded by Roman Catholic Popes as the head of an **EARTHLY** Kingdom of God. And in the future they believe that Roman Catholic Popes will rule the entire *EARTHLY**world from Rome.



KJVonly: Can you explain how the Preterists teach that the following prophecies in God's Word took place in AD 70?? Actually every prophecy listed below absolutely contradicts the Preterism heresy which **ADDS** OR **TAKES WORDS AWAY** FROM THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION AND GOD'S WORD.



Revelation 22 :16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony **FOR THE CHURCHES**!... I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS* anything to them, God will add them the plagues described in this book. {Which would include eternal hell in Rev 14:9-11} And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take from that person any share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The eternal New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book!"



Matthew 24:29-31: Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the **STARS WILL FALL** from the sky! {Luke 21:28 adds "When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near!"} Then will ***APPEAR*** the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. and then all the {Unsaved} peoples of the earth will mourn when the see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud {7th & Last} trumpet call, and the will gather **HIS ELECT** from the 4 winds, from one end of heavens to the other!" {Mark 13:27 adds "From the ends of the earth!"}



Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: Jesus prophesied, "**WHEN** the Son of Man comes in His glory {In Matt 24:30-31 above}, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, an He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. **THEN** the King will say to those on his right. Come, you are blessed by My Father ; take your inheritance , the Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... "Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels....**THEN** they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life!"



2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up . Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you {**CHURCH SAINTS*} wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists like KJVonly} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.



I Corinthians 15:50--51: I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT the *KINGDOM OF GOD*... Listen I tell you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet."



John 18:36: Jesus says, "My *KINGDOM* is not of this world....But now, my Kingdom is from another place!!"



Matthew 25:31-34: Jesus says, "When the Son of Man comes in His glory , and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another..He will put the sheep on the right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, "Come you who are blessed of My Father, take your inheritance, the *KINGDOM* prepared for you!!"



**WE** ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!



Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"



Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!



Revelation 22:1-5: Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the **LAMB** will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign **FOR EVER AND EVER**. The angel said to me, “These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!”



JESUS WILL WRITE ON US THE NAME OF THE CITY OF GOD THE **NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 2:18; 3:12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, which is coming down out of heaven from My God....And I will give the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne."

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Can you STOP sinning?
Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 05:04 PM

Richard, the 7th Day Adventists and KJV Only connection is historically valid.

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Can you STOP sinning?
Posted : 3 Oct, 2019 05:17 PM

Seventh Day Adventism and the noted “prophet” ministry of Helen G White are responsible for a number of false teachings.

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