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Blood, Death or Both?
Posted : 24 Jul, 2019 05:52 PM

I am still on the fence with John McArthur.... He had that quote I can't get out of my head...The blood doesn't save. You are saved by his death (sacrifice) ...then he says , The blood is just a euphemistic way of saying death...Well euphemistic means the same thing, just said in a different way....so does the blood save or death? I know his sacrifice takes away sins and his blood saves us from wrath. I wonder how you defend McArthur on this since to me he seems to be speaking in riddles since he said there wasn't anything magic in his blood. .

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Posted : 25 Jul, 2019 11:45 PM

Just for you sadlup..



Your quote:

You are NOT reading the 1611.

End quote.



I am now....

Isaiah 14:12

“How art thou fallen from heauen, O Lucifer, sonne of the morning? how art thou cut downe to the ground, which didst weaken the nations?”



Rev. 22:16

16 I Iesus haue sent mine Angel, to testifie vnto you these things in the Churches. I am the roote and the offspring of Dauid, and the bright and morning starre.



Enjoy!



Says the same thing as the KJV I posted earlier.

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 12:07 AM

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"I am here to learn, so please, present me with something of substance I can peruse"



Preface:

Jesus said there is only one teacher; the Messiah

Therefore I do not presume to teach.

However Iron sharpens iron.



I don't want to overwhelm you, so let's do one thing at a time.

You claim the 1611 KJV is the only correct inspired Bible.

Question:

Are you reading and studying from the 1611 KJV ?

Check in the front of your Bible and please post the answer.

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 12:12 AM

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"Look up Hebrews 9:19 for yourself. So if my KJV is not THE book , then what is it? And please don't say the first 5 books of Moshe! (torah)"



If you really believe Moshe had a copy of the King James Bible at Sinai....I honestly don't think aI can help; that is beyond bizarre.

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 12:17 AM

Sadlup..

I suppose you mean the very first page past the presentation page?

There is no copyright to my zondervan edition except for the introduction by the editors. The museum edition does....and?

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 12:23 AM

Sadlup

you said

If you really believe Moshe had a copy of the King James Bible at Sinai....I honestly don't think aI can help; that is beyond bizarre

end quote..

Of course not. But what evolved into the completed 66 books stemmed from Moshe's scrolls or books through time. There are more books after Deuteronomy , yes? Or are we stuck in a time warp?

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 01:42 AM

What translation washanded to Messiah when He read from Isaiah 61

In the Hebrew and Greek there are no chapter and verse, no punctuation or capitol letters.



Does anyine remember Messiah saying, IF, IF, you LOVE me KEEP my word.

Hmm, the word KEEP in Greek, means not to change or to keep in tact.

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 03:31 AM

The 1611KJV "Says the same thing as the KJV ....." Authorized Version



- Not always -



2 Timothy 2:2 –

1611 - “heard from me”

1769 - “heard of me”



Joshua 3:11

1611 - “Arke of the Couenant, euen the Lord”

1769 - “ark of the covenant of the Lord”



2 Kings 11:10

1611 - "“in the Temple”

1769 - "in the temple of the LORD”



Isaiah 49:13

1611 - “for God”

1769 - "for the LORD”

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 06:24 AM

**SAD**lup makes the ridiculous claim that God's Word in the New Testament was not known by the Christian churches until AD 300???



Luke 21:5-7: 20-24: {In AD 33} Some of His disciples were remarking about how the Temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, "As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down!" "Teacher," they asked, "When will these things happen? And what will be the sign they are about to take place?".... Jesus said, "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by {Roman} armies, you will know that its desolation is near.{In AD 70} Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment to all that has been written {See Daniel 9:26}. How dreadful it will be in those days.. There will be great distressin the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to the nations. {In AD 70} Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. {This prophecy was fulfilled almost 1900 years later when the Jews finally took over East Jerusalem on May 14th, 1948 and West Jerusalem from the Gentiles on June 7th, AD 67!



Now hear Jesus is warning His followers of the coming destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem which took place in AD 70. Therefore this book of the Bible must have been written and known about by Christians in Jerusalem in Ad 70.



However, *SAD*lup makes the ridiculous claim that God's Word in the New Testament was not known until AD 300. However, Almost the entire New Testament was quoted by Christian writers by AD 150!! And almost all the Christian churches had all the books of the New Testament except revelation by AD 70. 26 of the 27 books of the Bible were inspired by God and written between AD 42 and AD 65!!!



Actually the New Testament books except Revelation were all completed by AD 65 and distributed to most of the churches by AD 70 and there was no more need of temple sacrifices since Jesus put an end to all temple symbolic animal sacrifices by His Blood sacrifice for our atonement for sins. And Jesus had eliminated almost all of the OT laws except for 9 of the 10 commandments.



**WE ARE NO LONGER UDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE OT LAW** Galatians 3:25



Galatians 4:9,10: How is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you want to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing **SPECIAL DAYS** and months and seasons and years. I fear for you. that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you!!



Colossians 2:16,17: Do dot let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard a special festival, a New Moon celebration or a **SABBATH DAY**! These are a **SHADOW** of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found **IN CHRIST**!!



In the New Testament **EVERY DAY** is the **LORD'S DAY** especially **TODAY**!!



Acts 2:44-46: All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to everyone who had need. **EVERY DAY** they continued to meet together!!



Hebrews 3:12,13: See to it brothers and sisters that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But **ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER **DAILY**, as long as it is called **TODAY** so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness!



John 16:12-14: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you more than you can now bear. But when he, the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is from Me that he will receive what he will make known to me.



So the holy spirit inspired all the writers of the New Testament to write what Jesus told them to write by AD 65 except for Revelation.



So the New Covenant was distributed to most of the Christian churches by AD 70 and completely eliminated the need of the Old Testament Covenant except for 9 of the 10 commandments.



Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "**ALL AUTHORITY** in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**!. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations.... Teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU** {The entire New Testament except for Revelation by AD 70} ! And surely I am with you always , to the very end of the age!"

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 07:45 AM

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"What translation washanded to Messiah when He read from Isaiah 61"



No "translations" are allowed for the reading in synagogue. It was Hebrew. As for chapter & verses: None.



"16 Now when he went to Natzeret, where he had been brought up, on Shabbat he went to the synagogue as usual. He stood up to read, 17 and he was given the scroll of the prophet Yesha`yahu. Unrolling the scroll, he found the place where it was written,....."

- Luke 4

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Posted : 26 Jul, 2019 07:53 AM

"**SAD**lup makes the ridiculous claim that God's Word in the New Testament was not known by the Christian churches until AD 300???"



RICHARD:

1) You Pervert actual Scripture

2) You makeup Lies about others

3) You are stupid enough to do in front of everyone



1+2+3 = a stupid lying pervert.



People like you give Christians a bad name.

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