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Jesus in Genesis 1:1
Posted : 12 Apr, 2019 12:33 AM

One of many evidences for the Trinity in the very first verse of the Bible

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Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 01:17 PM

I do not belong to any denomination. I only quote the Word of God and not any denomination in all my Bible studies!



We have shown from God's Word that Jesus is God but is not **CO-EQUAL** with His Father!!



Little David and the Roman Catholic Church both believe that the holy spirit is **CO-EQUAL** with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! {???}



Question: Is the holy spirit **CO-EQUAL** to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ**??



**WHAT DOES GOD's WORD SAY**??



Colossians 1:15-20: The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the **HEAD** of the body, the church, He is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything He might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross.



John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when hem the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. **HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN**; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME**what he will make known to you!"



God the Father told Jesus what to say in the 4 Gospels while Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the writers to write in the other books in the New Covenant!



Ephesians 4:7; 11-16: To each one of us grace has been given **AS CHRIST APPORTIONED IT**.... It is He {Not denominations} who gives some to be apostles, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ!.... Speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the **HEAD**, that is Christ. **FROM HIM** the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work!



Jesus is called **GOD** 7 times in God's Word and is called **LORD** over 200 times in the New Testament, and is **WORSHIPED** 12 times in the New Testament, and God's Word tells us to only **WORSHIP GOD** in Revelation 22:8,9 below!! While the holy spirit is never called **GOD** or **LORD** in God's Word and is **NEVER WORSHIPED** in God's Word!!



Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!



Revelation 5:11-14: Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands and 10 thousand times 10 thousand. In a loud voice they were saying: "Worthy is the **LAMB**, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and under the earth and on the sea and all that is in them, saying: "To Him who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**! {Why was not the holy spirit worshiped here along with the Father and Jesus??}



The **WORSHIP** of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can also be found in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 and John 9:38!! {Any worship of the holy spirit can not be found in God's Word!!}



And in Hebrews 1:1-3,6,8; Paul is inspired to write: "In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word... God says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**!!" and about His Son God says, **YOUR THRONE**, **O GOD** will last for ever and ever!!"



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, **BUT THE ONE AND ONLY SON**!! who is **HIMSELF GOD** and in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!



Titus 2:13-14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our great **GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to glorify Himself a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!



Luke 3:16: John the Baptist said, "I baptize you with water. But One who is more powerful than I **WILL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT** and fire!!



And so **JESUS BAPTIZES** with the holy spirit and fire all whom God the Father have chosen!



Note: Jesus Christ is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation and the holy spirit is called the **7 SPIRITS** 4 times in Revelation:



Revelation 1:4: Grace and peace to you from the Father and the **7 SPIRITS** **BEFORE HIS THRONE** and from Jesus Christ!



Revelation 3:1: Jesus says, "These are the words of Him who **HOLDS** the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD**!" {See John 16:12-15 below!}



Revelation 4:5: In front of the {Father's} **THRONE** 7 lamps were blazing. These are the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD**. {See Revelation 1:4 above}



Revelation 5:6: The **LAMB** had 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD** sent out into all the earth! {See John 16:12-15 below}



And so Jesus **HOLDS** the 7 spirits of God in His right hand which **HE SENDS** out into all the earth and **BAPTIZES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT** all that His Father has chosen!



Revelation 3:1,14;19-21: Jesus says, "These are the words of Him who **HOLDS THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD**... These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Ruler of God's creation... Those whom I love I discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I {MY SPIRIT} will come in and eat with him and he with Me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on **MY THRONE**, just as I overcame and sat down with **MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE**!! These are the **ONLY 2 THRONES** in the eternal New Jerusalem as per Revelation 22:3 below!!!



Revelation 22:3:: The **THRONE OF GOD** and of the **LAMB**will be in the City {In our Eternal Home in the New Jerusalem}



Revelation 21:22-23: I did not see a temple in the City, because the Lord God Almighty and the **LAMB** are its temple. The City does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light and the **LAMB** is its Lamp!!



It is interesting to note that the holy spirit or 7 spirits are not even mentioned once in the description of our eternal home in the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21:1-27 and Revelation 22::1-5, and that there will be only **2 THRONES** for the Father and Jesus the **LAMB** in the eternal New Jerusalem!!



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Jesus in Genesis 1:1
Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 05:21 PM

Richard, you’ve finally made it known that you don’t belong to any denomination. But why did that minuscule movement to another point still well within the circle of obscurity take so long?



But your distinction really doesn’t help much because lots of people don’t belong to any denomination as well. For example, atheists do not. Cults do not. Not saying you belong to any cult but when you’re asked to clarify you just don’t want to give a definitive answer.



Some time ago, you mentioned something about knowing some Hebrew and spending time in Isreal. Are you associated with some kind of Hebrew Roots Movement or the like?



The only thing you’ve made know so far is the fact you are not an Armstrong devotee and you don’t belong to any denomination.



But it is known for certain you belong to something that doesn’t believe in the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible uses unequivocal words that characterize his co-equally with God the Father.



You said,

“I do not belong to any denomination. I only quote the Word of God and not any denomination in all my Bible studies!”



Can I assume your “Bible studies” are similar to your online quotes which are used to make scripture appear to conform to your unorthodox hermeneutic? And shall I assume that your “Bible Studies” are also silent about those scriptures that contradict your faulty hermeneutic?



Richard, how would you like it if someone quoted half of your words in order to make you say something that you never intended to say?



But that’s exactly what you’re doing when you fail to take ALL Scripture into account.

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Jesus in Genesis 1:1
Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 05:55 PM

Dave, i happen to be the phanthom as i have written in the past about the words of men vs the Word of GOD Almighty.

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Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 06:00 PM

Dave, it appears that you are unwilling to be corrected by anyone about your posts. It appears that you are not willing to even say , let me think about what you have written,OR maybe GOD Almighty might be speaking to me thru you or someone else.

The only person with ALL of the answers is GOD Almighty.

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Jesus in Genesis 1:1
Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 10:41 PM

so you found the phantom who says “the words of men are equal to the words of God”?? OOK

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Posted : 23 Apr, 2019 10:58 PM

George who is this “anyone” who is trying to “correct” me and what are they trying to “correct”?



Surely you’re not referring to the false charges as corrections??



How much thought would you need to give a false charge?



The latest false charge seems to imply that I know ALL the answers. In logic we might refer to such a charge as a strawman argument



Doesn’t sound to me like you’re ready for a serious discussion

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Posted : 24 Apr, 2019 07:12 AM

If you believe the union of three persons (father, son, and holy ghost (if that’s what you call them)) in one godhead. You believe in a polytheistic belief system. Furthermore, referring to the “biblical” Father and Holy Spirit as “persons” without any scripture backing your claim, is blaspheming. Uttering impious or reproachful words concerning God. Could be border line taking the Lord’s name in vain. Empty; worthless; having no substance, value or importance. You have a form of godliness, but lacking the power there of.



Instead—you mock, scorn, and insult to protect your falsified fable. Lashing out is the first fruits (reactions) of a victim under mind control when one attempts to de-program. Chances are good you where spoon feed this (like most of us) by the 501c3 government run brick and mortar church. Worshiping on the first day of the week instead of the seven like instructed by God Almighty. Worshiping Satan (consciously or subconsciously) with idol worship and swine filled belly’s. Taking the Lord’s supper with saltine crackers and grape juice from a plastic cup. All abomination to the Lord.



God the Father is a spirit… Not a person. And his spirit took on many names and forms throughout the ages. One goes by the name of Jesus Christ. Also known as, Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us, matthew one. No Holy Spirit, no Jesus walking the earth. Simple. Jesus and the Father are one, john ten. One means single. And single means only one. The definition of trinity equals three persons (humans). You can’t trick me with word play. I don’t trust you or your teachings.



I encourage you to study Matthew, Mark, Luke and John for the next six months and read them over and over again. So the Spirit of God can work on your heart and soul. You could kick it up a notch and fall asleep listen to them and have him program your subconscious mind. Really letting Jesus work on you. May catch a biblical dream or two. If you’re still in a 501c3 pagan church, I would strongly recommend leaving them while you do this (or in general for the safety of your soul). Free your mind… Give it all to God. Focus only on him. And if you’re giving the brick and mortar church money, I would stop fueling their godless system like spoken about in “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”



I would also ditch any worldly things you may be doing such as; festivals or public gathers, sporting events, concerts, movies, TV, music, talk shows, magazines, books, etc. Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him, first john two. The number of people that don’t take this verse seriously. All hell bound because of it. God is no respecter of persons, acts ten.



Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, and said, verily I say unto you, Except yee be converted, and become as little children, yee shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the Kingdome of heaven. And who so shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me. But who so shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that hee were drowned in the depth of the Sea, matthew eighteen.



If you come at me with anything other than a heart demanded by Jesus above, I’m done talking. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers, ephesians four.



In reference to Nimrod. You already refused to acknowledge scripture and dictionary definitions at face value. If you wanna learn the truth God will show you. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you, matthew six.



You’re in my thoughts and talks with Jesus the Christ. Good day, Sir.



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Posted : 24 Apr, 2019 08:36 AM

It is interesting to note after the 4 Gospels and Acts there are 22 letters and the Book of Revelation that are inspired by God. In each of these books there is an **INTRODUCTION** by **GOD THE FATHER** and our **LORD JESUS CHRIST** and the holy spirit, who many say is **CO-EQUAL** with **GOD THE FATHER ** and our **LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST**, is not even mentioned once!!!



Romans 1:7: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and from the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



I Corinthians 1:3: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**



2 Corinthians1:2: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**



Galatians 1:3: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



Ephesians 1:3: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



Philippians 1:2: Grace and peace to you from **GOD OUR FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**



Colossians 1:3: We always thank **GOD THE FATHER** of our **LORD JESUS CHRIST**, when we pray for you!



I Thessalonians 1:1: To the church of the Thessalonians in **GOD THE FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



2 Thessalonians 1: Grace and peace to you from **GOD THE FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



I Timothy 1:2: Grace, mercy and peace from **GOD THE FATHER** and **CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD**!



2 Timothy 1:2: Grace, mercy and peace from **GOD THE FATHER** and **CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD**!



Titus 1:4: Grace and peace from **GOD THE FATHER** and **JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR**!



Philemon1:3: Grace and peace to you from **GOD THE FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!

James 1:1: James, a servant of **GOD** and of the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



I Peter 1:3: Praise be to the **GOD AND FATHER** of our **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



2 Peter 1:2: Grace and peace be yours through the knowledge of **GOD** and of **JESUS OUR LORD**!



I John 1:3: Our fellowship is with the **FATHER** and with His Son, **JESUS CHRIST**!



2 John 1:3 Grace, mercy and peace from **GOD THE FATHER** and from **JESUS CHRIST**, the **FATHER'S SON**!



Jude 1:1: To those who have been called, who are loved in **GOD THE FATHER** and kept for **JESUS CHRIST**!



Revelation 1:1: The Revelation from **JESUS CHRIST**, which **GOD** gave Him!



And in Hebrews 1:1-8 there is more glorious introduction of **GOD THE FATHER** and the **LORD JESUS CHRIST**!



And in Hebrews 1:1-3,6,8; Paul is inspired to write: "In the past **GOD** {The *FATHER*} spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by **HIS SON**His, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The **SON** is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word... God says, "Let all God's angels **WORSHIP HIM**!!" and about **HIS SON GOD** says, **YOUR THRONE**, **O GOD** will last for ever and ever!!" {The **THRONE** of Jesus will last **FOR EVER AND EVER** in the **ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM**!!



Revelation 3:21,22: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on **MY THRONE**, just as I overcame and sat down with **MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE**!! These are the **ONLY 2 THRONES** in the eternal New Jerusalem as per Revelation 22:3 below!!! The holy spirit who many say are CO-EQUAL** with **GOD OUR FATHER** and our **LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST** does not have a **THRONE** in our **ETERNAL HOME IN THE NEW JERUSALEM**!!



NOTE: Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the Book of Revelation!



Revelation 22:3: The **THRONE OF GOD** and of the **LAMB**will be in the City! {In our **ETERNAL** Home in the New Jerusalem}



Revelation 21:22-23: I did not see a temple in the City, because the **LORD GOD ALMIGHTY** and the **LAMB** are its temple. The City does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of **GOD** gives it light and the **LAMB** is its Lamp!!



It is interesting to note that the holy spirit is not even mentioned once in the description of our eternal home in the ^^ETERNAL NEW JERUSALEM** in Revelation 21:1-27 and Revelation 22::1-5, and that there will be only **2 THRONES** for **GOD THE FATHER** and our **LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST** who is called the **LAMB** in the **ETERNAL** New Jerusalem!!



Matthew 23:9,1o: Jesus Christ says, "Do not call anyone on earth **FATHER**, for you have **ONE FATHER**, and He is in heaven! Nor are you to be called **TEACHER**, for you have **ONE TEACHER**, the **CHRIST**!



John 14:23-24: Jesus says, "Anyone who loves Me will obey **MY TEACHING**. My Father will love them, and **WE** will come to them and make **OUR HOME** with them. Anyone who does not love Me will not obey **MY TEACHING**. These words you hear are not My own; they belong to the Father who sent Me!"



Matthew 28:16-20:: Jesus says, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to **ME**. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... **TEACHING** THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU**. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age!"



John 16:12-15: Jesus says, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when hem the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. **HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN**; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify Me because it is **FROM ME** that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the spirit will **RECEIVE FROM ME**what he will make known to you!"



God the Father told Jesus what to say in the 4 Gospels while Jesus told the holy spirit what to inspire the writers to write in the other books in the New Covenant!



John 1:18: No one has ever seen God, **BUT THE ONE AND ONLY SON**!! who is **HIMSELF GOD** and in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known!!



Titus 2:13-14: We wait for the **BLESSED HOPE**--the glorious appearing of our great **GOD AND SAVIOR**, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to glorify Himself a people that are **HIS VERY OWN**, eager to do what is good!



Luke 3:16: John the Baptist said, "I baptize you with water. But **ONE** who is more powerful than I will **BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT** and fire!!"



John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"



And so **JESUS BAPTIZES** with the holy spirit and fire all whom God the Father have chosen!



Note: Jesus Christ is called the **LAMB** 30 times in the book of Revelation and the holy spirit is called the **7 SPIRITS** 4 times in Revelation:



Revelation 1:4: Grace and peace to you from the Father and the **7 SPIRITS** **BEFORE HIS THRONE** and from Jesus Christ!



Revelation 3:1: Jesus says, "These are the words of Him who **HOLDS** the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD**!" {See John 16:12-15 below!}



Revelation 4:5: In front of the {Father's} **THRONE** 7 lamps were blazing. These are the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD**. {See Revelation 1:4 above}



Revelation 5:6: The **LAMB** had 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the **7 SPIRITS OF GOD** sent out into all the earth! {See John 16:12-15 below}



And so Jesus **HOLDS** the 7 spirits of God in His right hand which **HE SENDS** out into all the earth.



Revelation 3:1,14;19-21: Jesus says, "These are the words of Him who **HOLDS THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD**... These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Ruler of God's creation... Those whom I love I discipline. So be earnest and repent. Here I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I {MY SPIRIT} will come in and eat with him and he with Me. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with Me on **MY THRONE**, just as I overcame and sat down with **MY FATHER ON HIS THRONE**!! These are the **ONLY 2 THRONES** in the eternal New Jerusalem as per Revelation 22:3!!!



Jesus is called **GOD** 7 times in God's Word and is called **LORD** over 200 times in the New Testament, and is **WORSHIPED** 12 times in the New Testament, and God's Word tells us to only **WORSHIP GOD** in Revelation 22:8,9 below!! While the holy spirit is never called **GOD** or **LORD** in God's Word and is **NEVER WORSHIPED** in God's Word!!



Revelation 22:8,9: I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "**DON'T DO THAT** A am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who **KEEP THE WORDS** of this scroll. **WORSHIP GOD**!!



The **WORSHIP** of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ can also be found in Matthew 2:2,8,11; 14:33; 28:9,17 Luke 24:52 and John 9:38!! {Any worship of the holy spirit can not be found in God's Word!!}



Revelation 5:11-14: Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands and 10 thousand times 10 thousand. In a loud voice they were saying: "Worthy is the **LAMB**, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!" Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and under the earth and on the sea and all that is in them, saying: "**TO HIM** who sits on the throne and to the **LAMB** be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" The 4 living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and **WORSHIPED**! {Why was not the holy spirit who many say is **CO-EQUAL** worshiped here along with the Father and Jesus??}



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