Thread: Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
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Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 29 May, 2011 09:09 AM
This is the surprise that I promised : The forgiveness of your sins are not dependent on your asking for forgiveness --- it is unbiblical.
I looked up 8 forms of the word 'forgive' every single place they occurred in the New Testament after weeding out a few that do not apply to the topic here is what I came up with:
Occurs 1 time --- *Forgiveness based on confession. (1John 1:9)
Occurs 4 times --- *Forgiveness based on the blood of Jesus. (Matt26:28 Eph1:7 Col1:14 Heb9:22)
Occurs 5 times --- *Forgiveness given based on nothing. (Matt9:6 Col2:13 Heb8:10-12 Heb10:16-18 1John2:12)
Occurs 7 times --- *Forgiveness based on Faith. (Matt9:2-6 Mark2:5-10 Luke5:20-24 Acts10:34 Acts13:39 Rom4:7-9 Jam5:15)
Occurs 8 times --- *Forgiveness based on as we Forgive others. (Matt6:12-15 Matt18:21-35 Mark11:25 Luke6:37 Luke11:4 2Cor2:7-10 4:32 Col3:13)
Kind a of Occurs 9 times --- *Forgiveness based on repentance. Note: Of the the first five none reference anyone interacting with Jesus, that leaves only 4 verses in Acts, meaning all but two where written by Luke and the two in Mark, one is about John the Baptist and the other a quote of Isaiah. (Mark1:4 Mark4:12 Luke3:3 Luke17:3-4 Luke24:47 Acts2:38 Acts5:31 Acts8:22 Acts26:18)
Forgiveness based on asking for forgiveness Occurs 0 times in the New Testament.
I submit to you that asking for forgiveness is a lack of Faith or Understanding of the Gospel. Your sins are already forgiven--- All Of Them---Past Present and Future! Therefore the only thing that remains for us is to receive Forgiveness through Faith and in turn Forgive others as Jesus has Forgiven us.
What about confession and repentance? This is really about Faith, about agreeing with God about our sin and turning to Him. Many think to repent means to turn from their sin, I disagree --- that is only half way. To repent is a 180� u turn, meaning turning from sin and to God. Just turning from sin is Not repentance ; it is only a 90� turn from sin.
Forgiveness is only found in believing Jesus already has forgiven you, confession and repentance is not as much about forgiveness as it is about you cooperating with God to remove sin from your life, sin that has Already Been Forgiven!
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 05:03 PM
MsMarvel.
I do not consider words technicalities because they often reveal what is taking place deep in the mind and heart.
This post says one thing: It is not Biblical for a Christian to repeatedly ask for forgiveness. It is Not about confession, repentance, sorrow etc... it is about trusting in the finished work of Jesus. I know some people need to ask over and over, that is okay, God doesn't hold it against them. This post is only for those who can accept it and those who can, should because it brings us closer to God.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 05:09 PM
Thanks Two and POIC. I get it! I get it! I get it! T, your post saying asking forgiveness is different from being sorry put it into perspective for me. Why keep asking Him over and over for something He has already given us? Thanks guys! This really is eye opening!
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 07:27 PM
Saved,
You wrote: "How would that fit into your thought? "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
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Well first of all this verse has nothing to do with 'asking for forgiveness' However it is a excellent question!
To answer : This is "kinda" like the chicken and the egg riddle. In other words if one is truly in Christ they will forgive as He does and they are forgiven because they are in Christ. If you refuse to forgive it is doubtful you are in Christ, therefore doubtful you have really accepted the forgivness of Christ.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:22 PM
Two, I'll be interested in what you find. As to the verse in question, for some Believers, forgiveness doesn't come easy, depending on the sin against a person. It may take time; days, weeks, months, in order to truly forgive someone. I don't think this makes a Believer less of a Believer. How would Matthew 6:15 then affect the Believer when he sins? Again, according to that verse, God would not forgive him of his sins, because he has yet to forgive the one who sinned against him.
Mark's account of this verse gives a little more information in 11:25-26 "And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses." So it goes beyond the unbeliever. It is written to those who are in Christ. Same question would still be applied to that passage. If God is to forgive us our trespasses and it is dependent upon our forgiving others, it seems that we would still have to ask forgiveness of our own sins.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:30 PM
Ms Marvel, That's the beauty of these forums. You can pick your own battles. I'm a curious person when it comes to others beliefs, and I really take an interest in some of the thoughts of others and why some believe what they do. Even when it's "out there". It doesn't mean I agree with it. I just try to understand it. Whether I truly debate it or not is where my choosing to pick that particular battle or not, comes into play.
Asking God for Forgiveness is NOT Bibical --- (this is the surprise)
Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:42 PM
Dear Rachel,
Please, I don't think that's what He would say to any of us at all. No way, no how! In fact, I was feeling the same way when I first read the initial post. Then I pulled a doggy head..you know, like when a dog tilts their head sideways because they're trying to figure something out? Haha!
I'd like to ask a few questions if you don't mind..
What do you think would happen if you forgot to ask for forgiveness one night and that was the night Jesus returned? Our loving Father wouldn't leave you behind..because you're His! :) You gave your life to Him, you asked Him to come into your heart and renew your soul and the Holy Spirit now resides inside you. You're forgiven!! :) Of course, we're not going to be perfect, but when we acknowledge our wrongdoings, He knows we've learned a lesson and we're getting better. The Holy Spirit that is within us convicts us when we're wrong. We feel that pang of guilt and we feel the need to talk about it with Him.
I had to really sit and analyze the conversations I have with Him to realize it, but basically it's all still the same except I feel His love even stronger. He knew all the sins I would commit and He knows all the sins I will commit..even before I was His! And the fact that He still takes me as I am, all filthy and tainted, well, it's just unfathomable sometimes. But He loves me anyway; for who I was, who I am, and who I will be.
Thank You my Dear God!! :applause:
Forgive me if this just makes it more confusing, but I really hope it helps.
