Why won't those that believe wake up and love James and tell him he is in total denial of the word of God? Reformed theology denies the very foundation of the word of God in saying man does not have the ability to do what the word of God tells him to do. By the way there is no place for Jesus in reformation theology, even on this site I have heard it more than once they have the basics, no they don't they totally deny the basics. The foundation of Christianity is built on faith from the word of God, not the word of men about the word of God.
Twosparrows said
James you asked: so shall you receive: John 1:10-13
especially ~ "But to all who did receive Him" and "He gave them the right to be children of God tothose who believe in His name"
James replies:
This is a good Scripture, and in no way disagrees with the Order of Salvation, or the "Ordo Salutis".
This Scripture says that the ones who received Jesus, were accepted by God and forgiven.
It does NOT say "they had the ability to chose".
This is another "whosoever" verse.
NO ONE who repents and trusts in Jesus will be turned away!
But the Bible ALSO plainly says that NO ONE has the ability to repent and trust in Jesus UNLESS God GRANTS it, or DRAWS them, or GIVES THEM the GIFT OF FAITH.
And what I am saying to you, is NOTHING NEW!
And since there has been so much time spent on this group lately slamming Calvin and Luther, and the Reformation in General, here is something from a THOUSAND YEARS earlier than the Reformation:
If anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10). If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, or that we can be saved by assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the effectual work of the Holy Spirit, who makes all whom He calls gladly and willingly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray from the plain teaching of Scripture by exalting the natural ability of man, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).
:ROFL: no problem Jude, I almost fell asleep as well:ROFL:
But listen up Jude, it just came to mind... memba when we were in grade school and in junior high when the little boys werea lways picking on ya, pulling your pigtails or throwing spit balls atcha, or doing something crazy to get on your nerves and your attention?
This was their ways of showing their affection and that they had a crush on ya?... well, I do think this is what's going on with chevy and 2sparrow acting like little grade school and junior hgh boys.
They have crushes on you and me, so they nit-pick everything we say on this fourm, because they are not mature enough to come out and ask you or I for a date and tell us they really are heads over hills for us.:yay::excited::yay:
So here's the deal, since 2sparrow is tooo old for me, past 50... because I enjoy younger men... you take 2sparrow to be your lawful forum mate, and I will be the cougar and take chevy as my lawful forum mate and do just as the Bible so states... raise up a child in the way he should go and when he gets old he will not depart from it. :ROFL:
Maybe, we have been looking at this all wrong, these guys have crushes on us and we haven't pick up on it until now.
You reckenn this is their problems?... because nothing we say is good enough for either one of them, and chevy follows 2sparrow around and copycats and ride piggyback on eveything 2sparrow has to say whether two is rright or wrong when it involves you or me, you can expect chevy to be there tagging along in agreement or disagreement with 2sparrow especially, if its against you or me...
So, I've figured this things out, these two grade school/junior high little boys have crushes, and don't know how to express them in a mature manner... so they do what they know to do better, pull our pigtails, throw spitballs, and try to tear us down by all means, and are always coming into diagreement with us no matter what we say.
Therefore, I have concluded that they have big crushes on us, and this is their problem, and the only way theiy know how to express themselves by attacking us every chance they get.
So I will take checy under my wings as a cougar does her cub, and you take 2sparrow and work with him. Maybe just maybe this will end all the foolishness.
Warning to all the girls in town... don't go messing around with my man chevy! unless you wanta fight:boxing: cuz, I'm the ocugar in his life... :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::laugh::yay::dancingp::dancingp:
:glow:...Oh my...you are to Fuuunnnnyyyyy....:ROFL:....Ima laughin so hard I got tears floodin out my eyes an I jus bout fell outa my chair...Ouch !!!...I pulled a Rib from laughin so hard...:buddies:..< thats Root Beer folks >...Cheers to the Discovery of the Century...but...hey now...ya know I aint 2spars Cup-O-Tea...so how I'm I spose ta Woo Him ???...I know...:bouncy:...I'll jus get out my Handy Dandy Lasso and Rope him in...He understands that kina stuff being a Horse man in all...What do ya think ?...Have I got a Snow Balls change in Hell ? ...xo
No Fear, Girls, I'm still on the market. LOL LOL I don't like hypocrites, liars, or blind leaders! LOL And don't worry about having to fight et. She doesn't SEE very well! LOL LOL You can take her! LOL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jude, I'll try to find the name of the book. It may take a day or two. And you may have a law suit. Lol Cause a person (years ago) stole words you would use in the future! Go Figer! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ et, it doesn't matter who wrote it; what matters is the deception, AND I told you what you keep asking has been answered Over and Over. Why should we cast pearls before swine? No matter what is explained you will disagree as usual , cause you know it all. I won't respond to either of you again tonight. I have better things to do than listen to batty women who think they're funny. LOL LOL LOL xo xo xo xo xo xo.
Well now...Good luck with that book finding and ifin your taking about the...The Full Bucket Fable - Planning Your Life which ya can find on line...not the same subject matter & not the heart felt apology as I wrote myself to 2Spar...Anywho...you have a Blessed day & a Great weekend...Luv ya Chevy...xo
OOPS! I meant to say batty (old) women. OLD enuf ta no betta but dunt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Saved, I was looking forward to seeing an intelligent discussion between you and Two, but the girls who piggy back each other had other plans. If their plans were trying to get me to stumble, it nearly worked! I have to log out now to pray and ask God to help me not say things, I may want to take back. I don't want to have to bring out my bucket of rocks and ask forgiveness from the forum readers. Good-night all !
Chevy, darling I realize that we are to confess out faults one to another, and I pose by you saying you don't like hypocrite and liars and blind, you are confessing your faults. And that okey, becasue whatever you say I am, since we are twp in one that makes you the same.
But not matter what you are still my little seet cub. And although you THINK you're still on the market, all the girls in town know right from wrong, and it would be wrong if they messed with you becasue I will come after them in a quick hurry. I am a fighter and protecor of what belong to me, and you're miy sweet little honey cub:boxing: so any grl who thinks she big and bad enough c'mon with it:boxing::boxing: my cub you ain't going nowhere! BTW, dinner is served at 5:00 PM, and tomorrow we will go on a hunt for our dinner for that day:eat::buddies::buddies:
:ROFL: Jude grrrrrlll, I'm so sorry you pulled your rib, but I had to share the revelation it was eating at me trying to fugure out the probleme now I have peace within I understand why chevy and 2sparrow have been behaving as they have...:ROFL:
Oh, Don't worry about 2sparrow, he has a donkey spirit more than he has horse sense, so just treat him as you would a donkey! You know you can't make a donkey drink water even when he's thirsty, but one thing you can do is when he does get thirsty, don't give him any water, and he will learn the next time to take the water when its given.:ROFL::laugh::Mug:
Just rope 2sparrow in and handle him as a donkey, memba the word say, the rod is for the back of a fool, and a donkey is a tough nuckleheaded fool with no senes of directions, so lead him in the path he should go beating him every step of the way until he learns obedience.:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
gotta get out of here and back to my project. :waving:
chevy, you better not send another text message to that girl, I'm watchin you:ROFL::excited::ROFL:
Could we disect this and find what you might be saying.
Twosaprrwo,
ET:This parable is about how satan works though people who reject Christ these are the tares, they pretend they have been converted when they are not.
POIC:A parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.
ET:This parable is about how satan works though people who reject Christ these are the tares.
POIC:This parable is not about satan,this is about the Kindom or rather the Kingship of Heaven.
This tells of the soveriengty of GOD.
GOD the Son sows His seed in the world.
Christ lets the enemy sow his seed in this world,and even in the same place,Christs seed is.
GOD is patient to wait for the seed and the darnel/tares to grow together.
Tares/darnel looks like wheat when they both start begining to grow.
Over time the darnel begin to change its appearance,and at the time of harvesting there is a marked difference between the wheat and the darnel.
A person not familiar with the appearance of both these plants might not see any difference between them.
ET: The enemy is satan and how he sends forth those who hate Christ to plant false teachings into the minds and hearts of those who do not know God or His word for themselves.
POIC:The context of this Scripture does not talk about the tares/darnel going anywhere,especially about teaching anything.
You might be reading something into the text.
ET:The good seed is the word of God that is read studied or heard, which bring about believers, and the word (good seed) that is to be sown(preached and taught) into the world to the lost about Jesus Christ, whom God sent for the salvation of all people.
ET: beleiver and the seed (word of God to goes out and produces good fruit which is seatbalishing faith to belive in the winning of souls for the kingdom of God.
POIC:This is not about soul winning (Christ wins souls not man).
Again you are reading something into the text that is not there.
ET:This parable Jesus lets it be know that the wheat and the tares should continue to grow together and in the end He will be the one who will separate (judge) them, the good from the evil. This parable is indeed about false teachers in the world which is of the devil, and good teahcings that should be among Christian believers trying to win souls.
ET:Explain how you call tares false teachings,and wheat as good teachers.
This is bad Exegesis.
Either,both are about teaching,
Or both have to be about teachers.
You cannot change this in order to fit into your understanding.
ET:False teachings weaken the new believers faith, and prevents many of the lost from the church and the hearing of the true doctrine of Christ, and all these thing the wheat(good) and the tare (evil) will all be judged when Jesus returns..can't get around this fact.
POIC:Where do you get this from.
This is not even suggested in the text.
Again adding to the word of GOD to fit into your understanding.
ET:The seed is the word of God, or the seed is the evil word of satan unto disbelief, which is planted in the hearts of those who reject Christ, through false teaching or doctrine that many people believe.
ET:Children of the kingdom(wheat) are believers in Christ. Children of the satan or of the wicked one (tare or weeds) are those who reject Jesus Chirst.
POIC:How is the seed both the Word of GOD,and believers.
This is not possible,
Nowhere in all of Scripture are believers ever called Word.
Jesus explains all of this in verses 37-43 of the same chapter of Matthew 13.
ET:
I believe that you are confused about this simple Scripture.
You say Christ is the good seed
The word is the good seed
The believers are the good seed
Let me get this straight.
Christ the Word sows words into the world.
Those which believe are called wheat.
The enemy sows words also,
Those believing his words are tares.
The field is the world.
Wow your understanding is quite confusing.
If it is OK,I would like to share a simple but profound meaning of this Word.
I will do this later,i need some time to have something to eat.
Till later:
Aloha
ps:
Christ here says that He is the Son of Man,not the Word.
Mat 13:37 And answering, He said to them, The One sowing the good seed is the Son of Man.
This is a Messianic title of the Jewish Messhiach/Messiah
Mat 13:38 And the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the darnel are the sons of the evil one.
This parable is about GODS sovereignty over all of His creation.
And btw chevy, until you jumped in with your negative comment there was a discussion going on about the wheat and tares... as always when 2sparrow can't give answers you seem to always pop in to change the discussion to something else that has nothing to do with what is going on... wonder why this is?...
And I am still waiting for you and 2sparrow to explain the SPIRITUAL APPLICATION of the parable according to what Jesus explained as the meaning of the parable. This you have not done, but of course, you can't answer until after 2sparrow say a word, then you will be able to answer in agreement.
Anyone reading this thread can see where you took this discussion south with your negative comments you and 2sparrow made even attacking Bahira who hasn't done anything but commented that she liked what I had posted. And you didn't like her saying that because that meant she was in agreement with what I was saying so you attack her spiritual integrity for agreeing with the truth of God's word, not with me, but the gospel...
And another thing remember this thread is open to anyone who cares to post on it.
I still ask, What Is The Spiritual Application of the parable in Matthew chapter 13:37-43, in accordance with the explanation Jesus gave as to the meanuing of the parable?
