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Admin	How did the old testament saints Posted : 7 Apr, 2011 11:15 PM How did the old testament saints make it to heaven? Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:37 PM Without researching John 3:13 I would venture to say it means more of ascending to,or going to heaven under ones own power. Whereas, like Elijah and others were 'taken' to heaven. I see a big difference, one that brings harmony between these Scriptures. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:39 PM Matt 8 vs 11 and Mark vs 26 and 27- Repeats from your first thread. Matt 17 vs 9 : tell the vision to no one. It was a vision of Moses and Elijah. The word for vision is horama, #3705 in strongs, something gazed at supernatural. In Acts 12 vs9 when peter escapes prison he thinks he saw a vision but what happened to him was real. This verse distinguishes between real and a vision. Besides, since we know Jesus was to be the first raised from the dead ( Col 1 vs 18) and He had not died yet we know it was a vision. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:49 PM Rev 6 vs 9: they were told to (KJV) rest,not wait, they were to rest a while longer until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethryn who would be killed as they were, was completed. And where does the margin take me for this verse, not surprised, Heb 11 vs 40 : God having provided something better for us , that they should not be made perfect a part from us. Or, those who are alive will by no means preceed those who are asleep. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:58 PM II Cor 12 vs 2 : I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows-such a one was caught up to the third heaven. Again vs 3, Paul doesn't know , God knows- God and mister name caller knows. The Aposstle Paul doesn't know whether he was in the body or out of the body but God and 2 sparrows know- Here's the kicker- evidently the man came back because he told Paul of the experience-duh. Here's what's interesting about that, Paul said he would brag about the guy for that but of himself he would brag about his infirmities. Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 08:58 PM 'God is the God of the living, not the dead' I see is that you assume it is the same for everyone? Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 09:06 PM Saved in Christ- Acts 7 vs 59 Eccl 12 vs 7 : Then the dust will return to the dust as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it. This is a general statement and says nothing of reward or punisment, of anevil person or a saved person. Every spirit that dies goes back to God who gave it. Or as David says , I go the way of all the earth I Kings 2 vs 2. What does it mean to go the way of all the earth? Everything dies. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 09:12 PM How did the old testament saints make it to heaven? They didn't. Haven't seen any scriptures yet that says when you die you go to heaven. I've posted lots that say otherwise. How about this PJ, How did the old testament saints gain eternal life through Jesus Christ? Shalom Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 09:23 PM Hilltop, what in the missst are you talking about? Old saints going to heaven has nothing to dow tith Jesus being the first born of the dead... ain't no body raised from he dead in the physical and is still living. We will not be rasied until Jesus returns, this is why God says Jesus is the first born from the dead, He's the only one still living after being rasied from the dead. Have you read those cahpter I gave out? And what is your answer to my question. Plus, you haven;t given any scriptures that say or prove that the old saints are not in heaven... what is you up to?..lol Post Reply
View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 8 Apr, 2011 09:41 PM Hilltop, I just read your response, do you not understand what it means that Jesus is the first born from the dead? I thought I explained it clearly re-read my post, and the chapter and God will reveal to you what it all means again. Then you will be able to understand why Jesus is the first born from the dead and why is He called the fist born from the dead? But what has this got to do with going to heaven when we died? You're going waaaaay off course up in heerrrrrr, in explaining those scriptures you have posted as related to the top where old saints or even saints today go when we died. Their meaning and what Paul is speaking about is not even what you are saying they mean. Post Reply
Hilltop View Profile History	How did the old testament saints Posted : 9 Apr, 2011 04:18 AM ET I never said people that had been raised from the dead are physically still a live today. Post Reply

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