* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 04:47 PM
James and LSU,
Nice try, but I am not falling for it. I can hear you now: "Whaaat?"
Trying to deflect the truth by focusing on something else.
I don't care what you call it Calvinism, Tulip, Reformed Doctrine, it doesn't make any difference, the point is no matter what you call it, it is still a commentary on the Bible written by men. It is Not Scripture.
If either of you have a shred of integrity, you would admit it is highly unlikely a person on a deserted Island with only a Bible would come up with Tulip all on their own.
James, Ryan did you come up with Tulip on your own?
Or...
Did you learn it from a source outside the Bible that interpreted Bible verses to support Tulip?
I think we all know the answer, however I wonder if either of you realize the gravity of what I just posted?
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 04:50 PM
Jude said: That is the Point...some persons here Will Say they Dont Follow Calvins Doctrine...but thats all they Profess & want to Discuss and Post
James replies: NOT TRUE. Not only have I posted on several subjects that have nothing to with the five points, I can SHOW were you and others TURNED the conversation BACK TO the five points.
*** Its VERY TRUE !!!�.Yes you have Posted other Stuff Completely Opposite [ Arminian ] to make your Point as always�.
Shared ~ This has been done repeatedly to threads I started that had nothing to do with the five points.
*** James�I got no problem with you Liein to me�But when you Lie to Your Self & say they have nothing to do with Calvin�you got a real problem to work out�You'll see this towards the bottom here...
Shared ~ Jude continues: and in the Process they Put Down ALL Others that Dont Hold to Agree with it or Accept it.
James replies: My "Put downs" mainly consist of telling others they are contradicting plain words of Scripture.
*** NO !!! James your Put Downs are More Articles about Mens Doctrines and More Poooo to take the Heat Off�Then someone Askes you a Question or Calls ya on it and You just Vanish and Disappear to Start another Thread�Whats up with that ???
*** WE�the Majority of the Body Of Christ Jesus�maybe 5-8 that have the Guts to Venture in here have always Given Clear Scripture�In Context�Plain & Simple and You Disagree�that�s your Choice but don�t be Preaching Calvin�s Pooo�Like I said on another Thread�If you have a Problem with what JESUS and His chosen Apostles are saying�Take it up with GOD�.
Shared ~ Like when a person reads a verse that says that God Works all things after His own counsel, and then five of you turn right around and say, "God works some things after His own counsel."
*** What ???�You Kidding Right ???�.You know that�s not True�Maybe you did not Understand what they were saying...
Shared ~ Or when Jesus says, "NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS" and then five of you say, "NO! Anyone can come....see it says whosoever........"
*** Well now Lets looks at the Scripture�because these Verses do not Speak the Same Message�One is about Father GOD Draws and the Other is About Belief�.
NIV John 6:44 �No one can come to me [ unless ] the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
KJV John 6:44 �No man can come to me, [ except ] the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.�
NIV ~ John 3:15- that everyone who [ believes ] [ may have ] eternal life in him.�[a] 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
KJV ~ John 3:15 That whosoever [ believeth ] [ in him ] [ should not perish, but have eternal life. ] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Shared ~ There has been plenty of childish behavior and bad attitudes on this group. And I am NOT talking about the Doctrines of Grace, I am talking about Childish and bad attitudes about even considering what Christians have said who have lived before us, or learning about church history.
*** Here we go with the Violin and Pink Slips against the Body of Christ Jesus�We are not Here to Learn Another Doctrine�We are here to Learn & Discuss the One we have From GOD / Jesus and Meet people�have some fun�It�s a Dating Site�Not a Lets Convert the Un-Elected or History Site�Maybe you should find a Site that caters to Calvins Doctrine...
Shared ~ Jude said: Articles written about what Calvin Said or Believed...or the Complete Opposite to make Thier Point...Where is Christ Jesus in that ???...xo
James replies: Jesus Christ is the central point of all of John Calvin's writings. I can only guess it is because you are [ ignorant ] of Calvin's writings that you just in knee jerk fashion automatically think that Calvin only wrote about five points that did not even exist as five points while he was alive.
*** Yup !!! I said that. And NO !!! Jesus is not the Central Point of John Calvins Writings or Doctrine�The 5 Points are...And Once Again with the Insults calling me Ignorant ???�Name Calling is Prohibited but I�ll turn the Other Cheek�this time...:rolleyes:...
Shared ~ This is something you need to know: There are two men who are considered, NOT BY ME, but by the vast majority of Christians who came after them, these two men have titles that have been put on them by Christians.
1. The [ prince of Preachers.] His name is Charles Haddon Spurgeon. I would recommend reading anything he ever wrote.
*** The only thing I need to Know is GOD, Jesus, Scripture and Of course you would�I�ve read it�Next�
2. The [Prince of theologians.] His name is [ John Calvin. ]
I would recommend reading anything he ever wrote.
*** Of course you would�I�ve read it�.Next�.
Now, both of these men wrote about every subject in the Bible, and so if you reject God's sovereignty in salvation, that should not stop you from reading what they wrote. I have read plenty by Arminians and my favorite Arminian is C.S.Lewis. I wonder if you would read anything by [ John Calvin? ]
*** Men writing about Every Single Subject in The Bible�Notice the Subtle mention of Calvin...once again...need I say more...Naw...Ima goin Fishin with Jesus...I promised Ella we'd catch her a Catfish an Cook it up Tex-A-Caly Style jus like we likes it...xo
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 05:50 PM
Twosparrows - Nice try, but I am not falling for it. I can hear you now: "Whaaat?" Trying to deflect the truth by focusing on something else
Ryan - What? I already answered your question in my first post in the thread.
Twosparrows - I don't care what you call it Calvinism, Tulip, Reformed Doctrine, it doesn't make any difference, the point is no matter what you call it, it is still a commentary on the Bible written by men. It is Not Scripture.
Ryan - What you believe is Arminianism, and a commentary on the bible. If that's the game you want to play. You are better than this. I already said Calvinism can be called a commentary on the bible.
Twosparrows - If either of you have a shred of integrity, you would admit it is highly unlikely a person on a deserted Island with only a Bible would come up with Tulip all on their own.
Ryan - So now you make this, if we don't agree, we have no integrity? Look, I will not admit that it's unlikely for a person on an island with a bible to agree with doctrines of grace. You however would have a very hard time if I asked you to prove it's highly unlikely. Would they come up with Tulip? That's silly and irrelevant.
Twosparrows - Did you learn it from a source outside the Bible that interpreted Bible verses to support Tulip?
Ryan - This is silly. Tulip is an outline of what I believe. It's that simple. Whether someone could come up with tulip on their own is irrelevant.
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 07:13 PM
Ryan,
To your credit you did barely admit Calvinism is commentary.
However when asked if a person with just a Bible would likely come up with Tuilp, your answer is : "That's silly and irrelevant"
I disagree, for it shows this doctrine is passed from person to person, generation to generation, and it is not something that many people have come up with on their own by just reading the Bible.
You fail to realize the importance of this if you call it silly and irrelevant, and this is where your integrity comes in.
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 08:39 PM
PJ - You do not need to be on an island Ryan for Satan to speak to you, when you speak of the tulip that is exactly what it is doctrine of demons.
Ryan - Nice, what but you are just a man. I do not trust you.
Twosparrows - I disagree, for it shows this doctrine is passed from person to person, generation to generation, and it is not something that many people have come up with on their own by just reading the Bible.
Ryan - Many doctrines have been passed down from person to person, from generation to generation, just like Arminianism. Yes it is something that man people have come to, through scripture.
Twosparrows - You fail to realize the importance of this if you call it silly and irrelevant, and this is where your integrity comes in.
Ryan - Again, if I don't agree with you I have no integrity. That is silly, yes. Asking whether people would come up with tulip on an island is silly as well and yes irrelevant. but you knew that...
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 6 Apr, 2011 09:46 PM
What I've noticed a lot is when you or others don't have an answer you just attack the person and say they have integrity issues or they strayed from the issue. However with careful reading you will see I answered you. You just don't like the answer. Fact is, whether someone on an island came up with tulip on their own is irrelevant and you know it.
* The Obvious Truth that Only a Honest Calvinist would Admit *
Posted : 7 Apr, 2011 04:30 AM
Please provide support for your claim, if I consider it valid I will retract the supposed statement of attack and apologize. However in the mean time I view your post with suspicion as nothing more than further deflection.
