The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 09:24 PM
james, there you go with that santa claus nonsense again. God's children have showed you time and time again what God's Truth is. You have ears but you don't hear. You are grieving the Holy Ghost. Do calvinists even acknoweledge him? You always sign In Christ but I don't believe you are. I guess you aren't worried about giving account for every idle word you've spoken or parroted from men who died hundreds of years ago in your posts that are causing those seeking God to stumble. You are a man trying to make people believe there is no hope for them. Thank God there are truly born again people on this forum who are shouting the words of JESUS, WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME. The gospel is simple. Your posts in no way glorify God and only cause confusion for babes In Christ, who through the free will God gave them have chosen to accept the gift of eternal life. I love you because God told me to love my enemies. He who winneth souls is wise. How many souls you led to Jesus, sir james?
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 10:10 PM
Checyrocks said:
james, there you go with that santa claus nonsense again. God's children have showed you time and time again what God's Truth is. You have ears but you don't hear. You are grieving the Holy Ghost. Do calvinists even acknoweledge him?
James replies:
Specifically HOW am I "grieving the Holy Ghost"?
I have said nothing, and posted nothing, that is not of the historic Christian faith. I realize you are Arminian, and you disagree, but saying that someone is grieving the Holy Ghost because they are Reformed is just wrong.
Chevy continues:
You always sign In Christ but I don't believe you are.
James replies:
So you are just venting.....
Chevy said:
I guess you aren't worried about giving account for every idle word you've spoken or parroted from men who died hundreds of years ago
James replies:
Yes, that is a bad attitude, and you need to repent of that.
The bible teaches that we need the body of Christ, and the men you are speaking about are Christian men who have been respected and quoted for hundreds and hundreds of years.
They have the Holy Spirit, and they spent their lives studying the bible, and living the Christian life, and we SHOULD respect, and at least consider what they had to say about God's Word.
Chevy continues:
in your posts that are causing those seeking God to stumble.
James replies:
Again, HOW are my posts causing anyone to stumble?
You REALLY don't like it when a Christian brother disagrees with you, do you?
Chevy continues:
You are a man trying to make people believe there is no hope for them.
James replies:
That is a LIE. I am from Missouri, SHOW ME where I have done this.
Chevy continues:
Thank God there are truly born again people on this forum who are shouting the words of JESUS, WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME.
James replies:
you are MISQUOTING Scripture!
John 3:16 says, Whosoever believes in Him, will not perish, but have eternal life."
John 6:65 "therefore I have said to you that
NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS IT HAS BEEN GRANTED
TO HIM BY MY FATHER."
So, yes, whosoever comes will not be rejected, and they will be saved, BUT.....ONLY those who are drawn by the father CAN come to Jesus.
Chevy continues:
The gospel is simple.
James replies:
We agree. The Gospel is simple. Repent and trust in Jesus.
Chevy continues:
Your posts in no way glorify God and only cause confusion for babes In Christ, who through the free will God gave them have chosen to accept the gift of eternal life.
James replies:
I think that testifying to the Classic historic faith, does glorify God, and I think that Arminianism PRETENDS that some of the glory of God belongs to them, because after all, Arminians believe THEY really saved themselves because of their decision they made with their free will.
And, No, it does not cause confusion for Babes in Christ.
It DOES cause, confusion, and bad feelings in Christians who are Arminian, and have been for many years. I understand that, and I hope that some who consider what I have shared, will begin to read and think about the Scriptures I have shared on here.
Chevy continues:
I love you because God told me to love my enemies. He who winneth souls is wise. How many souls you led to Jesus, sir james?
James replies:
I don't know. God is the one who saves, but we are supposed to share Christ with others, and LIVE in a way that glorifies God.
I did go door to door with my church years ago. We used
D.James Kennedy's "Evangelism Explosion" course.
It is really good, and helps you to share the gospel.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 13 Mar, 2011 11:27 PM
I misquoted nothing, james. I also don't get angry because someone disagrees with me. I'm not arminian. I'm a new creature who accepted Christ's gift of salvation. I've been born again. Praise God! But,unlike you, I was born again after the Holy Spirit drew me to Jesus and not before. I know Who saves. He's my Saviour. How are you grieving the Holy Spirit? By pushing your false calvinist doctrine down everyone's throat. And your posts do confuse Babes in Christ. More than one of them has shared that fact with me.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 14 Mar, 2011 04:34 AM
James shared:
"I think that testifying to the Classic historic faith, ....."
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James, there you go again twisting the truth into a lie : Arminianism is every bit as old as Calvinism yet you claim 'your' doctrine as the Classic historic faith. The truth of history is Calvinism has always been a doctrine that bullies others, claiming it is only they who have the real truth and everyone else is wrong.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 14 Mar, 2011 05:52 AM
I pray that all Christians come to the understanding, there is no partial truths in God, it is either true or a lie, the most dominant factor I see in reformed theology is it is so self centered, selfish and there is no love in it and to believe otherwise is deception at work.
To believe there is anything good in calvinism is to have bought satan's lie hook line and sinker
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 14 Mar, 2011 04:44 PM
James wrote - "Well, you are right about serving the same God. We Do, it is just that you have a hyper-sentimental view of God and man and salvation!!! You think fallen mankind has a free will and is able to save himself through his decision. You think God can do anything BUT violate mans sacred free will. Your view of God is way too low, and your view of mankind is WAY too high."
Where did I ever say that man "is able to save himself through his decision"? Jesus saves. No one or nothing else brings salvation to man except Jesus. Man is given the opportunity/choice/free will to either accept that or reject it.
Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose [that] wherein I delighted not. -Isaiah 65:12
Where's the "irresistible grace" for those that God called? Where in this verse do you see NO free will of choice? God called Israel. She wouldn't answer. He spoke to her. She wouldn't listen. She made a choice. She chose those things that were not of God.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: - Deuteronomy 30:19
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD. - Proverbs 1:29
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. And Joshua said unto the people, Ye [are] witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, [We are] witnesses. - Joshua 24:15,22
Did God change? Did He decide that man no longer needed to choose who they would serve, so He would choose for them? As to whose "view of God is way too low", my God is big enough to love all of humanity. My God is big enough to save WHOSOEVER will come to Him. My God is big enough to give His life for every sinner ever born. This is my God -- "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." -Revelation 1:8
James wrote - "You believe Jesus died for everyone who ever lived even though you have no scripture saying that. You also KNOW that God has not made a way for everyone who ever lived to even HEAR ABOUT Jesus."
No Scripture? There is plenty of Scripture. But you dice it to fit your doctrine. You redefine words to make it fit your doctrine. Your doctrine weakens the power of the Cross. It's disgusting.
Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life. - Romans 5:18
Deal with that one James. You ignored it further up in this thread. Are you going to say "all" sinned, but not "all" have the free gift offered them by Christ's death?
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. - Isaiah 53:6
What is Isaiah saying, James? That the iniquity laid on Christ wasn't really for the sins of "all"?
For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. - 1 Timothy 2:3-6
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. - 1 Timothy 4:10
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. - 1 John 2:2
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. - Hebrews 2:9
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]. - Hebrews 10:10
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And [that] he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. - 2 Corinthians 5:14
Aren't "all" dead in sin? Christ died for "all"
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. - Romans 5:6
All have sinned. All are ungodly. These are who Christ died for.
Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. - Matthew 11:28,29
Where in the above verse does Jesus state this was for the "elect" only? In fact, where in any of the Scriptures I've offered do you find Jesus died for the sins of the "elect" only? Do you see the word "elect" in any of them? And for the second time, no, I don't "KNOW that God has not made a way for everyone who ever lived to even HEAR ABOUT Jesus". And for the second time, show me in Scripture where that is written. If it's true, it should not be hard for you to provide a verse for it. Otherwise, you are adding to the Word of God and denying the capabilities of the Almighty, which I believe you are.
James wrote - "You say Jesus died for everyone, but if that is the case then NO ONE should be in HELL because everyone who ever lived has had their sins paid for!"
Christ has paid the penalty for every sinner as Scripture shows, but not every sinner chooses Christ. You don't see that because you don't believe God gives us a choice to accept or deny Him, even though there are Scriptures that show man "choosing" to serve the Lord, "choosing" to turn their back on the Lord and "choosing" to not fear the Lord.
James wrote - "As you wish...... Matthew 22:14: "For many are called, but few are CHOSEN.""
I don't see in this verse anything about God not having love for every soul.
James wrote - "1 Peter 2:8,9...For they stumble because they disobey the word, as they were DESTINED to do. But you are a CHOSEN RACE, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of him who CALLED you out of the darkness into his marvelous light."
Don't see anything in that verse either that says God doesn't love them.
James wrote - "Romans 9:13 "Esau I hated" Psalm 7:11 "God is angry with the wicked everyday."
Your verse in Psalms does not say God hates the wicked. But then since you like to redefine words to fit your doctrine, maybe "angry" is synonymous with "hate" in your mind. As to "Esau I hated"... I brought that up some time ago. You never answered it, so I'll present it again...
I'm beginning to believe that the Calvanist, in order to cling to their doctrine of selective or elect only salvation, must rely on the belief that God does not love all mankind, therefore He must "hate" those who will not become elect. This is how they can conclude that John 3:16 does not include the "world" and "whosoever" in relation to "God so loved...." I'm also seeing Romans 9:13 being used as the cornerstone of this doctrine as if it somehow seals their argument that God does not love all of mankind..."As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Personally, I believe this is a gross misinterpretation of Scripture, and I'm not sure where to even start in order to argue such a doctrine that believes 'God hates'.
Jesus told us in Luke 14:26 - "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Was Jesus really telling us to "hate" our parents, siblings and children? The same word "hate" used in Luke 14 is that used in Romans 9:13. No, Jesus wasn't telling us to "hate" them as He gave us the command to - "Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." So what is the Lord telling us? He is telling us that, "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." I believe the word "hate" as used in Romans 9:13 and Luke 14:26 is not defined as the hate that would be opposite of love. The passage in Luke 14 is simply telling us to not put our family [or anyone] before the Lord. It doesn't mean to "hate" them, as it is also written, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" And it's my belief that God did not hate Esau as the Calvanist would have you believe in order to push their doctrine, but that God preferred Jacob over Esau. God had told Isaac that the great nation Israel was to come through Jacob, not Esau. And it would be in Jacob�s seed [not Esau's] to which the Messiah would come. Furthermore, if you read Malachi 1, from which Paul pulled his verse in Romans 9:13, Jacob is Israel and Esau is Edom. They are represented in nations. And God does show His anger and hatred for nations in that the sin that is evident in them. It doesn't mean He hates the individuals of those nations no more than He hates the individuals of Israel, yet hates the sin therein as we see time and again throughout Scripture. But nowhere do I find God displaying any hatred toward Esau [the individual]. There is simply no indication anywhere in the narrative of Esau's life that gives any impression that God "hated" him.
So no, James. God does not hate anyone.
James wrote - "I don't know how much history you have read, but there have been some incredibly EVIL people who have lived in this world, and they have done an incredible AMOUNT of evil, and yet, you think God is NOT angry with them, and that He does not hate them?"
Throughout Scripture you will read that God is angry with the sinner or sinful nations, that He hates the SIN or the acts of the sinner, but nowhere does Scripture say that God hates the sinner. No where. And neither have I ever said God was not angry with those who sinned. You're right; there have been some incredibly evil people in this world, but God did or does not "hate" them. Paul was one of those incredibly evil people.
And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, - Acts 9:1
Did God "hate" Saul? Did He say He hated him? Nope.
And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. - Luke 23:33,34
Jesus looked at the very men that crucified Him and what did He say? That He hated them? That God hated them? He asked the Father to forgive them. Is that hate?
James wrote - "Your view of God sounds more like Santa Claus than the infinitely Holy God of the Bible. I am sorry, but that is what it sounds like to me."
I don't know what it is between you and Santa Claus, maybe you read it on one of your Calvin sites, but it's rather childish to liken God to him just because we disagree.
The limited number of people, who actually hear the gospel.
Posted : 14 Mar, 2011 07:37 PM
Rev 14 vs 6 : Then I saw another angel flying in the mist of heaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation,tribe,tongue, and people--
vs 7 :saying with a loud voice," Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgement has come, and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."
