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Posted : 24 Jan, 2011 08:36 PM

The view one takes concerning Salvation will be determined, to a

large extent, by the view one takes concerning sin and its effects on

human nature. When Calvinists speak of man as being totally depraved,

they mean that man's nature is corrupt, perverse, and sinful

throughout. It does not mean that man is as totally wicked as he can

be. "total" is used to indicate that the WHOLE of man's being has

been affected by sin.



A. As a result of Adams transgression, men are born in sin and by

nature are spiritually dead: therefore, if they are to become God's

children and enter His kingdom, they must be born anew of the Spirit.



1. When Adam was placed in the garden of Eden, he was warned not to

eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil on the threat

of immediate SPIRITUAL death.

Genesis 2:16,17: and the Lord commanded the man, saying, "You may

freely eat of every tree on the garden; but of the tree of the

knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day you eat

of it you shall die."



2. Adam disobeyed and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:1-7);

consequently, he brought spiritual death upon himself and upon the

whole human race.

Romans 5:12; Therefore as sin came into the world through one man

[Adam, see vs. 14] and DEATH through sin, and so death spread to all

men because all men sinned.



EPHESIANS 2:1-3 and you he MADE ALIVE, when you were DEAD through

trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of

this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit

that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. Among these we all

once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of

body and mind, and so we were BY NATURE children of wrath, like the

rest of mankind.



Colossians 2:13; And you who were DEAD in trespasses and the

uncircumcision of your flesh, GOD MADE ALIVE together with him,

having forgiven us all our trespasses.



3. David confessed that he, as well as all other men, was born in

sin.



Psalm 51:5; Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did

my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3; The wicked go astray from the womb, the err from their

birth, speaking lies.



4. Because men are born in sin and are by nature spiritually dead,

Jesus taught that men must be born anew if they are to enter God's

kingdom.

John 3:5-7; Jesus answered, "Truly, Truly, I say unto you, unless

one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot ENTER the kingdom of

God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is

born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you,

'YOU MUST BE BORN ANEW'" compare John 1:12,13



B. As a result of the fall, men are blind and deaf to spiritual truth.

Their minds are darkened by sin; their hearts are corrupt and evil.



Gen. 6:5; The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the

earth, and that EVERY IMAGINATION OF THE THOUGHTS OF HIS HEART WAS

ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY.



Gen. 8:21...The imagination of man's heart is EVIL from his youth..

Ecclesiastes 9:3...The HEARTS of men are FULL OF EVIL, and madness is

in their hearts while they live...



Jeremiah 17:9; The HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and

DESPERATELY CORRUPT; who can understand it?

Mark 7:21-23; "For from within, OUT OF THE HEART OF MAN, come evil

thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness,

deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these

evil things come from within, and they defile a man."



John 3:19; And this is the judgment, that the light has come into

the world, and MEN LOVED DARKNESS, rather than light because their

deeds were evil.

Romans 8:7,8; For the MIND that is set on the flesh is hostile to

God; IT does not submit to God's law, indeed it CANNOT; and those who

are in the flesh CANNOT PLEASE GOD.

1 Corinthians 2:14: The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts

of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and, HE IS NOT ABLE

TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned.



Ephesians 4:17-19: Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that

you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their

minds; they are DARKENED IN THEIR UNDERSTANDING, alienated from the

life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, DUE TO THEIR

HARDNESS OF HEART; they have become callous and have given themselves

up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness.



Ephesians 5:8 For once you were DARKNESS, but now you are light in the

Lord...

Titus 1:15: To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and

unbelieving nothing is pure; THEIR VERY MINDS AND CONSCIENCES ARE

CORRUPTED.





C. Before sinners are born into God's kingdom through the

regenerating power of the Spirit, they are children of the Devil and

under his control; they are slaves to sin.



John 8:44 You are of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, and YOUR WILL is to do

your father's desires.

Ephesians 2:1,2; And you he made alive, when you were dead through

the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the

course of this world, FOLLOWING THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR,

the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.



2 Timothy 2:25,26; God may perhaps grant that they will repent and

come to know the truth, and they may escape from THE SNARE OF THE

DEVIL, after being CAPTURED BY HIM TO DO HIS WILL.



1 John 3:10; By this it may be seen who are the children of God,

and who are the CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not do right is

not of God, nor he who does not love his brother.

1John 5:19; We know that we are of God, and the whole world is IN

THE POWER OF THE EVIL ONE.



John 8:34; Jesus answered them, "Truly , Truly, I say to you,

every one who commits sin is a SLAVE TO SIN".

Romans 6:20; When you were SLAVES OF SIN, you were free in regard to

righteousness.

Titus 3:3; For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led

astray, SLAVES to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in

malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another.





D. The reign of sin is universal; all men are under it's power;

consequently, none is righteous---not even one!



2 Chronicles 6:36; ....for there is NO MAN who does not sin...

Job 15:14-16; What is a man, that he can be clean? Or he that is

born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust

in his holy ones, and the heavens are not clean in his sight; how

much less one who is abominable and corrupt, A MAN WHO DRINKS

INIQUITY LIKE WATER!



PSALM 130:3; If Thou, O Lord, shouldst mark iniquities, Lord,

WHO COULD STAND?

Psalm 143:2; Enter not into judgment with thy servant; for

NO MAN LIVING is righteous before Thee.

Proverbs 20:9; Who can say, "I have made my heart clean; I am pure

from my sin?"

Ecclesiastes 7:20: Surely there is NOT A RIGHTEOUS MAN ON EARTH

who does good and never sins.

Ecclesiastes 7:29; Behold, this alone I found, that God made man

upright, but they have sought out many devices.



Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every

one to his own way...

Isaiah 64:6; We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our

righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a

leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.



Romans 3:9-12; What then? are we Jews any better off? No, not at

all; for I have already charged that ALL MEN, both Jews and Greeks,

ARE UNDER THE POWER OF SIN, as it is written; "NONE is righteous, no,

not one; no one understands, no one seeks for God. All have turned

aside, together they have gone wrong; NO ONE DOES GOOD,NOT EVEN ONE."

James 3:2,8; For we all make many mistakes, and if any one makes no

mistakes in what he says he is a perfect man, able to bridle the

whole body also...but no human being can tame the tongue--

a restless evil, full of deadly poison.



I John 1:8,10; If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and

the truth is not in us..If we say we have not sinned, we make him a

liar, and his word is not in us.





E. Men left in their dead state are unable of themselves to repent,

to believe the gospel, or to come to Christ. They have no power

within themselves to change their natures or to prepare themselves for

salvation.





JOB 14:4; Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?

There is not one.

Jeremiah 13:23; Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his

spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.



Matthew 7:16-18 YOU will know them by their fruits. Are grapes

gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree

bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree

cannot bear evil fruit, NOR CAN A BAD TREE BEAR GOOD FRUIT.

Matthew 12:33 "Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or

make the tree bad, and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its

fruit."



John 6:44; NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS the Father who sent me

DRAWS HIM; and I will raise him up on the last day.



John 6:56; And he said, "This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME

TO ME UNLESS IT IS GRANTED HIM BY THE FATHER."



Romans 11:35,36; "Or who has given a gift to him that he might be

repaid?" For from him and through him and to him ARE ALL THINGS.

to him be glory forever. AMEN.



1 Corinthians 2:14; The UNSPIRITUAL MAN does not receive the gifts

of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and HE IS NOT ABLE

TO UNDERSTAND THEM because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 4:7; For who sees anything different in you? What

have you that you did not receive? If then you received it,

WHY DO YOU BOAST AS IF IT WERE NOT A GIFT?



2 Corinthians 3:5; Not that we are SUFFICIENT OF OURSELVES to claim

anything as coming from us; our sufficiency is FROM GOD.







From these Scriptures we see that we are unable of ourselves to do

anything toward gaining salvation. We must rely totally on God's

mercy and love.





Sincerely,

James

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 08:39 AM

Using scripture to belittle in the disguise of an apology?:excited: Satan's the deceiver and any deception is not of God and always claiming you're right doesn't make you right.

All you holier than thou folks with book knowledge should fast and pray for God to give you some heart knowledge.

You seem to think you know it all--- but your man's wisdom is foolishness to God.



In Christ,

Deborah

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 09:08 AM

Deborah it always tickles me, when it seems to be women that stand up speak the truth, father help us men to stand for the truth, your word needs no defense, but it is past time for men to rise and walk in truth.



Thank you for believing the word of God.

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 09:21 AM

PJ,



If you can't explain your opinion that is fine. I understand, but I had hoped you could show where the mistakes are made. I guess I will have to assume that you cannot.



Deborah, I will pray for you, sister. You obviously have anger issues. As for knowledge, my bible says it comes from God. It also says to study to show yourself approved. The bible is our guide to knowing God. It is His revealed will. It is made for man.



If you cannot back up your doctrine with scripture, it is a lie. If you do not know the scriptures, you cannot know the truth. Jesus told the Sadducees, You err, not knowing the scriptures. Paul said, ALL scripture is inspired by God. Peter said, 2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.



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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 10:08 AM

Anger issues? So you're turning this around and insulting me?

Where have I heard that before?



As for your knowledge--- anyone can learn and quote scripture. Satan does it all the time. He can quote it, but that certainly doesn't make him RIGHT.



I'll pray for you too-- that you'll stop pretending you know it all and that you'll show love to even those who disagree with you without using scriptures to cover up your hypocritical actions.

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 10:37 AM

Well for one Leon we do understand the context of scripture: so let us go to scripture and take note of those that sought the lord.



Ex 33:7 And Moses took the tabernacle, and pitched it without the camp, afar off from the camp, and called it the Tabernacle of the congregation. And it came to pass, that every one which sought the LORD went out unto the tabernacle of the congregation, which was without the camp.

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 11:37 AM

PJ, did you read what I posted?... Did you read what Leon and James have posted? It always amazes me how people try ti discuss scripture or biblical topics and have no idea of spiritual insight into what God is saying as it relates to God and man.

It is very clear you don't understand themeaning of being totally depraved (depravity) OR what Calvin is saying, yet you try to discuss this topic with such spiritual suhtority and insight. TOTLLY DEPRAVITITY IS THE DOCTRINE OF GRACE!

If you have no clue as to the meaning of GRACE and how it works, then you have no understanding about what the scriptures are saying, OR what God has done for you and all of us. It was not by our goodness nor by our works, BUT BY GOD'S AMAZING GRACE, BECASUE NO MAN CAN SAVE OR DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF GOD. We do not come to God on our own, we are drawn to God by His GRACE. Because of our sin nature, There is no one who is good, no not one! If man was not depraved, he would be able to keep the 10 Commandments without Jesus having to die on the cross.

The definiion of depravity and how God's grace works in and through man by His grace, have all been posted along with scriptures pointing to our depravity.Even in the article which is obvious you have not read otherwise, you would not have posted that the scriptures say nothing abut man's depravity.

Read PJ, it is so very imporatant to gathering understanding and knowledge, from God and through the Spiriti of God.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, WHICH COMES FROM GOD!

You are a perfect example of what depraved means, a lack of spiritual understand and knowledge due to the fact that you continue to try and make God's word say what YOU think it says and believe....it ain't working. Only God's grace can bring you out of the darkness and open your heart and eyes to receive.

UNCOVER THE VAIL!SO THAT OYU MAY SEE AND RECEIVE THE GLORY OF GOD AND KNOW THAT WIHOTU GOD MAN IS NOTHING, WHICH MAKES MAN DRPRAVED OUTSIDE OF GOD'S GRACE AND HELP.

What have you got that was not given to you? NOT ONE THING! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT GOD DID OR DID NOT ALLOW? NOT ONE THING! You cannot do anything with out God. Man has no power outside of God and His grace.

Know the spiritual meanings of what depravity and grace are all about before you try to discuss what the Bible is saying, as well as what Calvin is saying ...for when we were still sinners, Jesus dies for our sins.

ella

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 11:47 AM

Ella, Leon,

With all do respect; I posted a simple one sentence statement/question and you have posted billzion word answers that do not answer the question. If one cannot answer (I will include the question here) in a few sentences it is a "indication" they lack understanding of the doctrines they are parroting.



Cor 2:14 and John 3:3 are contrasting "Born Again" believers with nonbelievers. Rom 3:10-12, John 6:49, John 6:65 all say God seeks man and draws him. ***Not one of your 5 best scriptures denies God created man with a innate ability to respond to the Holy Spirit when God calls. (Am I missing something here?)

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 11:51 AM

2sparrown,

I appreciate you wanting an answer to your question however, I'm tryng to figure out what IS your question?

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 12:49 PM

Yes, Two, your question is being ignored because it is a trick question. Let me explain, God did not CREATE man to be unable, we BECAME that way in the garden. It was the consequence of sin, not our design, that caused the problem.



1cor 2:14 does contrast natural man with the born again believer, but that is the whole point, isn't it? Natural man cannot receive the things of God. Don't you think that includes salvation? It is of God, is it not?



Now, if you want another scripture, how about this one?

Titus 3:4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Titus 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Titus 3:7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.



How were we saved? (verse 5) According to His mercy. (verse 7) justified by His grace.

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Posted : 28 Jan, 2011 01:32 PM

Heeeeey! ...did I miss sum'um?... where is the QUESTION??!!!:excited:

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